Women in the U.S. military? "What about Israel?", the standard leftist reply
Jack E. Kemp
When Clarice Feldman started a discussion recently at American Thinker http://www.americanthinker.com/2013/01/the_administration_s_new_fro... about women in combat in the U.S. military, it inevitably brought up the argument that ignorant leftists love to use, namely that Israeli women are in their army. The left believes these women are all like Rambo but with nicer hair - and they don't go for the bare-chested look that Stallone sported. Here is an exchange of comments under Clarice's post between some woman named Yvette familiar with leftist tropes, myself, and an American aviator who trained in Israel with their forces.
The four comments:
yvette99
Women in combat? Great knee jerk reaction there, Holmes. I have three words for you:
Israeli Defense Forces
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JackKemp
I've got a few words for you as well, yvette. Most of the women in the Israeli Defense forces are not in front line combat positions. They are trainers (like an acquaintance of mine who learned about Raytheon Hawk missiles from a an IDF woman), company clerks and secretaries. I recall riding a bus in Israel, standing behind a 5'3" girl - yes, girl - with an M16 slung over her back. She did not look very formidable as a front line soldier to me. And I doubt if she turned into the Incredible She Hulk out in the desert. Could you tell me how many women there are in the Israeli commando force or the Palmach Paratroopers? Not many, so don't wave "IDF" around as if that proves something. I recall sitting in the Tel Aviv airport and talking with an American Gentile tourist woman. We spotted a young woman with the black beret of the Israeli Tank Corps. I don't think her job was replacing tank treads or loading heavy shells into the tank's cannon. She was probably a secretary or higher position intelligence enlisted woman.
ArmyAviator
@yvette99 & JackKemp:
I spent quite some time working with Israeli aviation forces in Israel. This bunk that the IDF uses women in combat roles is absolute nonsense! Not even the aircraft technicians who repaired and maintained the aircraft were female! Women do work as drivers, cooks, rear area medics, administration specialists and other non-combat related jobs. As such they were entitled to wear the appropriate beret and insignia of the unit assigned! The IDF does train women in unarmed self-defense as well as armed defense. Some are trained with rifles, some pistols. Women would be an absolute last ditch choice to send into open combat. But don't think for a moment, that the IDF will ever use women as INFANTRY, ARMOR or FIELD ARTILLERY soldiers! Libs have claimed this for years and have brainwashed countless others to believe such crap, but it isn't so! NO NATION IN THE WORLD is so stupid to include women in COMBAT UNITS as front line Infantry, Armor or Artillery soldiers!
JackKemp
Army Aviator, thank you for your service. You have also reminded me of the time in the 1970s when I marched in the annual Tsadah, a hike through parts of Israel and (then) the West Bank. That year we got rained out late in the night after one full day of marching around 20 kilometers. The event included civilians and Israeli soldiers both in this open public event. A unit of Israeli Army women marched in formation in low heels, maybe .5 to 1 inch high. Those were not the combat boots the male Israeli soldiers marched in or the work boots I marched in. Those female soldiers were definitely not members of a combat unit. They did look sharp, however.
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Comment by John Liposky on February 2, 2013 at 9:40pm -
Notice that all the comunist revolution pictures show women in the same uniforms and just as nasty.
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Comment by Erick Vasquez on February 1, 2013 at 8:11pm
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no human send women to be blown up as far as im concern
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Comment by James N Haynes on January 30, 2013 at 4:33pm
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Women in such duties as frontline combat, police work or fire fighting is an accommodation for political correctness and I can prove it. If it were otherwise we would think nothing of have an all woman police force as we do with men, an all woman fire fighting department as we do with men or an all woman army as we do with men. But no, in order to have women in these duties we must sprinkle them in with the males so as to not to render the organization completely ineffectual.
You want more proof? If it were true that women can be as effective in battle as men under various war time conditions, then we should have already seen women integrated in college and pro football teams as well as other male dominated sports. How about integrated boxing? Let's remember that sports games were invented to simulate war time battles, football being probably one of the best examples. How about an all female Army? We can win battles with an all male Army but can we win with an all female Army? If it is good for the U.S. military to place women in front line combat now, would it have been good to do so during WWII or during Vietnam? If not why not (please do not bring up technology)?
I'm sure that many people have watched the program Cops. I have seen many episodes where police women respond to the scene and do just fine handling things. It is only when someone decides to resist arrest when it can get out of hand. I saw one episode where four Cops had a bad guy surrounded, two were male Cops and two were 5'2" female Cops. The bad guy decided to resist by running away. Which direction do you think he chose to run? That's correct, right through one of the female Cops. All four Cops gave chase. It was humorous to watch the police women trying their best to keep pace with the male Cops and bad guy, all running down the street with utility belt items flapping in the breeze, all the while being greatly out distanced. By the time the girls got there, the bad guy had been caught, handcuffed and was being questioned.
In order for men to accept women inthe fighting position next to them, the male soldier will have to be indoctrinated with the idea that there is no differences between them. They will have to accept and respect female sergeants and commanders over them just as they would a male squad leader or platoon leader. Throughout history this has never worked. Men are suited for war women are not. The Left's attempt to overcome natures differences between the sexes by an accommodation for socialism sake, will get soldiers killed on the field of battle.
J Haynes (combat vet Vietnam 1968-69)
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Comment by Thomas "Max" Jonker on January 30, 2013 at 11:30am
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Please excuse the typos.
I have never mastered the elusive Edit tool.
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Comment by Thomas "Max" Jonker on January 30, 2013 at 11:17am
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141 Days past 911 and Benghazi
Based on the '09 Patriots' Landslide Election, Obama believed that his remaining days as President were numbered. He expected them to conclude December 31, 2012.
The Arab Spring agenda had to be snatched from the Calendar of the propspective Second Term and jammed into the two remaining years of Obama's expected reign. The Muslims' networks, a constant presence in the Obama White House, began their campaigns to instigate the subjugation of their Theocracy throughout western Asia and northern Africa.
The Muslim Brotherhood, coordinators for the international interests of the 57 Islamic States, imposed Sharia Law, stripping citizens' rights of all but their Muslim brethern. The Obama administration ignored this flowering tyranny, refusing to acknowledge this repudiation of Human Rights.
The Arab coalitions in the UN had launched its campaign to ratify a Resolution to make all criticism of Muslims, Hate Speech. The passage of this perceived International Treaty was Obama's utmost priority. His Presidential authority, coupled with the support of his lameduck Senate, could make this America's law before the end of this critical year.
The abrogation of our Constitution's First Amendment has long been the fervent goal of America's domestic enemies. Once Americans are deprived of Freedom of Speech, political dissidence will disappear.
Since Obama had already achieved Gulag citizen privations, erasing warrants, privacy invasions, deprivation of legal representation, and indefinite imprisonment, incommunicado, stifling the remaining dregs of protest would be his coup de grace.
The Congress you elected, cheered when they passed Obama's enhancements to Homeland Security's despotism. Under this Mandate, all that is required, is for Obama to suspect Terrorist intent.
[ George Bush declared the American citizen in Arkansas to be a Domestic Terrorist because he flattened the tire of the man who had displaced his employment with an illegal alien.]
The Demonstrations across the Muslim world were orchestrated to occur just before the UN General Assembly's Annual Meeting and Obama's personal Introduction of the Muslims' Hate Speech Resolution. Anticipation of its immediate passage was assured by the anxiety generated throughout the Muslim World, coupled with America's shameless obiesance to Political Rect - - tude.
The coordination of the Protest necessarily encompassed the spectrum of Muslim Jihadism, and their attendant Terrorist advocates. This peculiar choice of infamous dates should connote the barbarism of the Enemy at Hand. Islam is renowned for the desecration of all other Holy Icons of Humanity. Simply, all nonMuslims are slated for extinction.
A flimsy facade was fabricated, then promulgated by the White House Allies at Google. Demonstration organizers had time to professionally print large banners in English for the benefit of Obamite MEDIA dispersing his worldwide propaganda lies.
The staged protest, much like the one launched against the homes of Connecticut's world bankers after Obama's inauguration, was on schedule.
Alqaeda seized this occasion of Obama's vile international Freak Show to murder our helpless citizens on the World Stage. Alqaeda's motives are less relevant than the commission of these treacherous crimes.
When word of this Massacre reached the White House, Obama had two choices.
He could launch a Rescue Mission.
He could refuse to launch a Rescue Mission.
If he launched a Rescue Mission, he would be publicizing a Muslim atrocity at a time when he was fully enveloped in an international Muslim strategy to arouse empathy, while ending Free Speech worldwide.
His UN Address scheduled for two weeks later, relied on America's feigned Apologia for its rude "Hollywood" profanities. By maximizing the significance of this anonymous Muslim graffiti, the enormity of this grievous inslut to America's integrity might be successfully obfuscated.
He considered himself to be bound by the agenda he had engineered to be a Muslim champion for posterity.
That was to be his true Legacy.
- and his stepping stone.
Barrack Hussein Obama made the conscious decision to let his own American emissaries be slain for the Cause of Muslim Hate Speech, and the defilement of the US Constitution's First Amendment of the Bill of Rights.
The enormity of these Transgressions and overt Treasons are now the focus of a culpable Congress always too ready to make a Clintonesque deal to betray the Americans they disserve.
MAX.
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Comment by Rudy McGillvray on January 30, 2013 at 10:12am -
THIS has the ring of truth, and it parallels what I have thought about the IDF. Thank you for clearing this matter in my mind.
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Comment by Jack Kemp on January 30, 2013 at 6:26am
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http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2013/01/uncle_sam_wants_you_you...
January 30, 2013
Uncle Sam Wants You, Young Lady!
Vostra Guida
Last week, in one of his last acts as Defense Secretary for the Obama Administration, Leon Panetta formally lifted the ban on women serving in combat positions. Does that mean that our daughters must register with Selective Service when they turn 18 years old just like our sons must do? It seems that the law may now have to change so as to require our daughters to register (and be eligible) for the draft.
In a 1981 case called Rostker v. Goldberg, 453 U.S. 57 (1981), the U.S. Supreme Court rejected the argument that the draft is unconstitutional because only men are required by law to register. In so holding, the Court ruled that the Selective Service process is designed to enable the federal government to assemble "combat-ready" people. Because women were excluded from combat in 1981, there was no basis for requiring them to participate in the draft. As a result, the law was permissible as written.
With the recent lifting of the ban on women in combat, however, the Supreme Court's rationale in Rostker v. Goldberg may no longer hold up. As a result, the law may have to be changed to require women to register for the draft in order for the law to pass constitutional muster.
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Comment by Robert Peters on January 29, 2013 at 8:48pm
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The SECDEF's directive to allow women in front line combat is just one more indication of the decline of a great nation. Real men do not send their wives, daughters, granddaughters to do what they are not physically or emotionally equipped to do. Defense of our families, and our nation in the brutality of combat is the responsibility of American patriot males, radical feminists and cowardly men be damned.
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Comment by Jim Swavely on January 29, 2013 at 6:25pm
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The IDF tried women in the front lines in the first few years of Israel's existence, then quickly gave up the idea for all the reasons that are logical. It just didn't work. Now, there are many Israeli women in the support areas, if they are fit for them, but on the front lines? Nada.
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Comment by John Liposky on January 29, 2013 at 5:53pm
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G I Jane? If you are going to have openly gay, why not women. Give those dykes what they want but don't change the minimum requirements even when they complain and want quotas..And there will be quotas.
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