Jack E. Kemp
A great discussion today at American Thinker by W. Levinson on gun rights. The link and conclusions are below.
Read more: http://www.americanthinker.com/2013/02/the_argument_that_wins_the_a...
The question, and the other side must not be allowed to evade it or equivocate, is "How many bullets might a person reasonably need to stop one or more violent specimens of the most dangerous animal on earth?"
apparently believe the answer to be 13 to 17 rounds of 9 millimeter, as shown by their use of Glocks with these magazine capacities. A .45 caliber sidearm has far more stopping power, so seven rounds (the maximum now allowed by New York) may be adequate to end a life or death confrontation that somebody else starts. Most women, however, along with small men, find the 9 millimeter's lesser recoil far easier to handle. New York's Legislature and governor therefore seem to think that the right of effective self-defense should be reserved for healthy and fit men, as opposed to women and senior citizens.
When it comes to rifles, police departments believe the answer to be no less than 30 rounds of .223, as shown by their deployment of AR-15s. The only difference between a and a private citizen is that the former has the authority and duty to intervene in situations that the ordinary citizen should, or even must, avoid. If either needs a firearm for any non-sporting purpose, though, he or she needs it for exactly the same reason. The definition of a weapon that is "reasonable" for legitimate self-defense is therefore, "Any weapon that is routinely available to law enforcement agencies."
I tried this on a talk show host who supports the proposed "assault weapon" ban, and he had no viable answer. Neither will anybody else against whom we deploy it in letters to the editor, talk radio, the Internet, and other media.
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Comment by Joseph Jr Vanchieri on February 4, 2013 at 2:06pm Just a few things. 1. if you are going to carry conceal get a pistol that is a good defense weapon.
2. Get professional advice. ( a arms dealer isn't the best to ask. go or call a self defense instructor) 3. Be active in the sport and practice as much as possible.
4. If they tell you to carry a .22 for defense, find another expert because they are imposters.
5. make sure you pick a gun you are comfortable shooting. ( if it is a .22 then don't carry)
Comment by Doug Nicholson on February 4, 2013 at 1:21pm Passerby to man holding a baseball bat, standing over a body: "You BEAT him? What's the matter with you?"
Passerby to man holding a rope, standing over a body: "You STRANGLED him? What's the matter with you?"
Passerby to man holding a knife, standing over a body: "You STABBED him? What's the matter with you?"
Passerby to man holding a gun, standing over a body: "You SHOT him? We've got to do something about guns!"
Comment by Conrad C Gabbard on February 4, 2013 at 1:22am Historically, the badge of a free man has always been a weapon of his choice, at hand, for his own purposes. If someone can deny you your choice of tools for self-defense, you are not free. The choice of weapon is a very personal thing; if big is better, there's .50AE and S&W .50Magnum. I own and have carried the former - in bear country, but evolved to the 10mm. The long proven king of one-shot-stops on the street, however, is the .357 Magnum - not the .45 ACP. Speed trumps size. Larger calibers usually require larger guns, which smaller hands cannot handle effectively. The same is true with smaller guns in bug hands. Ammo manufacturers virtually duplicate .357 ballistics with the .357 SIG, which is a necked-down .40 cal case. For high-stress self-defense - you can never start with too much ammunition in the gun: 30 rounds of Hornady Critical Defense .22WMR in the easy to shoot Kel-Tec PMR-30, 20 rounds of 9mm in the Springfield XDm 3.8, or 16 rounds of 10mm in a Glock-29 with Glock 20 magazine can provide the firepower for various hand sizes and should handle most problems of the two or four legged kind.
Comment by hijinx60 on February 3, 2013 at 7:14pm A .22 LR round will penetrate a 1/2 inch sheet of regular plywood at 300 yards. Ladies, aim for the head.
Comment by George C. McMurtry on February 3, 2013 at 11:42am @Hearland Conservative I think .22s are great for small game and pests and a cheap way to target shoot. If a woman is afraid of the loud bang she shouldn't be carrying. Also, if she is being attacked, there is a strong chance that the perp is on drugs and you could empty a .22 pistol and not bring him down. I would try to talk her into at least a 380 which is a shortened 9mm and does not have much of a kick. Now a .223 is a different beast, a .22 on steroids, with a significantly bigger charge behind it. It is the military's "tumbling bullet" that is meant more to incapacitate rather than outright kill. I still go for the larger caliber. There is a reason why the US Marines have chosen to abandon the Beretta 92 (9mm) and move back to the model 1911 .45 ACP. It just plain works better in bringing the bad guy down.
Comment by Billy Bowlegs on February 3, 2013 at 10:39am Short Quip: To Giberment - eff you nasty things happen when you try this.
Comment by Jack Kemp on February 3, 2013 at 9:32am Speaking of women and .22s, I sent this to some of my conservative women friends in New York:
Women's Shooting Sports League - gun rentals available
http://www.nycwssl.org/index.htm
Facebook Page https://www.facebook.com/NYCWSSL
Location: Westside Rifle and Pistol Range. 20 West 20th St. (between 5th and 6th Aves). Basement Level. Phone 212.929.7287 wsprinfo@gmail.com
January 28 (Monday): .22 rifle shoot at the Westside Rifle & Pistol Range (Details -- including pre-event registration procedure for first-time shooters).
February 25 (Monday): .22 rifle shoot at the Westside Rifle & Pistol Range (Details -- including pre-event registration procedure for first-time shooters).
March 18 (Monday): .22 rifle shoot at the Westside Rifle & Pistol Range (Details -- including pre-event registration procedure for first-time shooters).
April 15 (Monday): .22 rifle shoot at the Westside Rifle & Pistol Range (Details -- including pre-event registration procedure for first-time shooters).
.22 Rifle/Air Pistol Shoot at Westside Rifle & Pistol Range
Price: $35 (plus tax). You can pay the range after the event: cash, check or charge. This fee includes classroom safety instruction, private instruction on the firing line, rental of a .22 rifle and/or air pistol, ONE box of ammo (additional no-cost ammo is available from WSSL while supplies last) and eye/ear protection.
Please feel free to bring friends. All levels are welcome (never shot, beginners, intermediate, advanced). We will have some fun shooting drills, too!
Come at 6:15 PM and help us plan activities -- we have some great excursions in mind -- or join us from 6:45 PM - 9:00 PM for the shooting. We usually go out afterwards for a bite to eat and a bit to drink, so plan on staying if you can.
NOTE -- Instructors: Please arrive by 7:15 PM.
If you are a first-time shooter...
Register at least five days in advance at the Westside Rifle & Pistol Range Web site.
You will receive a "transaction ID" by e-mail from the Range.
When you arrive at the Range on WSSL night pick up your brown ID card at the office. (Bring your transaction ID in case your brown ID card has not been prepared.) You will sign in using the Range ID number on your brown ID card every time you attend WSSL.
You will also need to bring other ID with you to check in on WSSL night.
If you are a returning shooter...
E-mail Amy Heath Lovato so that she can give the Range an accurate count.
Use the Range ID number on your brown card to sign in when you arrive on WSSL night.
You will also need to bring other ID with you to check in.
If you are a member of the Westside Rifle & Pistol Range...
E-mail Amy Heath Lovato so that she can give the Range an accurate count.
On WSSL night sign in using your Range membership number. Range members do not pay the $35 WSSL fee, and WSSL will provide ammo while supplies last.
You may also need to bring other ID with you to check in.
ALL SHOOTERS:
If you find that you can't attend please e-mail Amy ASAP so we have an accurate headcount for the Range.
If you have to cancel at the last minute please call the Range at (212)929-7287 or (212)243-9448.
I would not be so quick to discount the 'lowly .22". A small .22 pistol may be just the right defensive weapon for that young lady who is so afraid of the loud heavy hard kicking gun that she wont use it. At 10 to 15 yards, I do NOT volunteer to stand with a heavy leather jacket as a target for a LR .22. AND, if she isnt afraid to shoot it, she might just go shoot targets with you.
Comment by Jack Kemp on February 3, 2013 at 8:45am Once again, a topic I have started has produced a number of people turning the Comment Board into a "club" where they hang out and discuss things among themselves. This is great. What is particularly great in this discussion here is all the detailed information all my readers have brought out about various guns that shouldn't be lost to the public after this week. What you all have said belongs in a topic category of some sort at TPN. As a matter of fact, I'm going to suggest this to Judson Phillips.
Comment by Paul Szemanczky on February 3, 2013 at 8:38am Talk it up for the .357 or .44 Magnum Longs -they'll take 2 or 3 guys out back to front everytime. Kill and be killed, I say.
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