Jack E. Kemp
An edited version of this piece appeared at the American Thinker website.
http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2013/01/gov_cuomo_heres_why_you...
Here below is the full version that includes some open speculation on harsh countermeasures
real people in the real world might take, unpleasant ideas that American Thinker did not choose to mention. It gives the article a decidedly different tone.
Gov. Cuomo, here’s why your seven shot gun magazine limit is already outdated
Jack Kemp
"Seven bullets in a gun, why? Because the high-capacity magazines that give you the capacity to kill a large number of human beings in a very short period of time is nonsensical to a civil society…" – New York Governor Andrew Cuomo
http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/01/15/16515653-new-york-passes...
Charles Gant and Greg Lewis recently pointed out in an American Thinker article http://www.americanthinker.com/2013/01/its_the_drugs_stupid.html#ix... about the effects of psychotropic drugs to suppress fear and enable “murderous rage” in relation to American Long Range Reconnaissance Patrols during the Vietnam War, quoting from the extraordinary book Dispatches by Michael Herr. Gant and Lewis went on to further discuss the effect of similar drugs such as Ritalin and Adderall on restless school children with Attention Deficit Disorder. But what exactly happens - in some detail - when someone is in a gun battle with someone high on drugs, be it against a soldier or a home invading robber in New York or any other state?
Let’s start by answering the question about soldiers, particularly soldiers who opposed American forces in Iraq in 2005 during house-to-house fighting in Fallujah. I quote from the Los Angeles Times:
http://articles.latimes.com/2005/jan/13/world/fg-iraqdrugs13
Fallouja Insurgents Fought Under Influence of Drugs, Marines Say
Troops note the caches found and rebels' ability to keep going even after being severely wounded.
January 13, 2005|
Tony Perry | Times Staff Writer
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The conduct of many of the insurgents during the fighting in Fallouja suggested that they had ingested drugs that enabled them to continue fighting even after being severely wounded, Marines and Navy medical corpsmen say.
"One guy described it as like watching the 'Night of the Living Dead,' " corpsman Peter Melady said. "People who should have been dead were still alive."
Marines say the information prompted them to change their strategy.
"On the second day of the fight, word came down to focus on head shots, that body shots were not good enough," said 1st Lt. Tim Strabbing, a platoon leader with the 3rd Battalion, 1st Marine Regiment, 1st Marine Division, one of the lead units in the assault to oust the insurgents. The battalion, known as the Thundering Third, suffered 23 dead and 300 wounded.
Strabbing said his platoon found five locations with stockpiles of needles and adrenaline.
"My guys put five [machine gun] rounds into a guy who just stood there and took it and then took off running," he said.
Stimulants enable the body to continue functioning despite mortal wounds, forestalling, although not preventing, death, medical experts say.
Many combat veterans recall watching insurgents in Fallouja who had been shot at close range return fire and hurl grenades at Marines who stormed their strongholds.
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Amphetamines and similar mind altering drugs are also well known to both school children (in the form of Ritalin, etc.) and young street thugs (in various forms such as meth amphetamine, crack, etc.).
From the Los Angeles Daily News, Dec. 1, 2006:
http://www.thefreelibrary.com/METH+USE+FUELS+RISE+IN+HEISTS+EXPERT%...
Capt. Ron Nelson, a spokesman for the Ventura County Sheriff's Department, said the numbers might be low compared with some other communities, but the increase is of serious concern and points to a rise in meth use. There were 10 bank robberies in areas patrolled by the Sheriff's Department, which include Thousand Oaks, Moorpark and Camarillo.
Like other drugs, meth lowers inhibitions and leads addicts to commit robberies and burglaries to buy more drugs, Nelson said. A man recently arrested on suspicion of holding up banks in Thousand Oaks and Camarillo was addicted to meth.
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From these three articles, are we to assume that criminals high on meth amphetamines are willing to ingest them for “courage” only before attempting a bank robbery and not before a home invasion robbery, particularly in those “wealthy” homes that have flat screen tvs and stereos, i.e., most homes in America? No, we can assume just the opposite, if we ourselves aren’t high on utopian dreams of being able to legislate a perfect “civil society,” as Gov. Cuomo phrased it.
A group of two or three criminals – or even one – can now assume, perhaps incorrectly, that most armed citizens have only a seven shot capacity in their handgun or rifle to stop a home invasion in New York State. If the crooks up the ante by ingesting body-numbing amphetamines, they now have increased their odds of overpowering a home resident because they know that the State of New York has now made the use of a thirty round clip illegal for law abiding citizens. I wonder how more fearful DEMOCRAT gun owners whose name and address were made public by the Journal News of White Plains, NY, feel today.
Of course, this recent New York gun control law, as others have noted, was rushed through the legislature while emotions run high. It also has produced a personal political feather in the cap of Governor Cuomo, increasing somewhat his chances of getting the Democratic Party nomination for President in 2016.
So Philosopher King…er…Governor Cuomo believes five or six shots are enough to “reasonably” stop an armed robber in a “civil society.” But an armed robber turns a quiet home from a civil society into a literally uncivil combat zone. I would have said the politicians theoretically deliberated the merits of the gun control legislation in a committee room in the state capitol on false premises, but even that didn’t happen. The bill was rushed through in record time. It was essentially a push-in robbery of New Yorkers’ rights as American citizens under the U.S. Second Amendment – and probably the New York State Constitution, as well.
When the adrenaline is pumping – for both the person defending their own home and the home invader perhaps high on drugs – what can we do to increase the chances of the home resident to survive the odds? Repeal certain drug laws so homeowners can also get high on amphetamines during what is essentially combat? Break the new gun control law(s)? I would recommend the repeal of this recent New York State gun control law. If and when a number of people find their home invaded in the overmatched scenarios I have described above and the word of those events spread – with or without the mainstream media’s assistance - this will no longer be merely the thought exercise of this writer, dismissed by some readers as “absurd.” At that time, the sentiment and political opinion will arise to either repeal this new gun control law, disobey it, or flee New York State for other locations. This new gun control law is not a recipe for a civil society – it is a recipe for the “Potterville” dystopia seen in the movie It’s a Wonderful Life. Never has the following Urban Dictionary phrase been truer in New York State: It is better to be judged by twelve than carried by six.
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=I%27d%20rather%20be%...
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Comment by Jim Coles on January 21, 2013 at 12:31pm Paul ... in addition to the points already made concerning your take on 'the Geneva Convention,' let explain a point of established law: until a law is overturned by a court it is presumed to be legal and in-force ... NY citizens have no right to willfully disobey that stupid law, which is why I've been recommending going around the stupid law ...
NY residents should comply with the gross terms of the law by getting their pistol and rifle magazines banded ... If/when the law is overturned they can simply pull the band out and toss it away ... If the social order breaks down and violence ensues, they can pull the band out and toss it ... I strongly urge purchasing a short-barreled pump shotgun for home defense, and if possible getting a longer-reach autoloading rifle in a caliber larger than .223 that complies with the basic terms of the stupid law ... for example, one of the rifles in my gun case is magazine-fed .270 (6.8mm) autoloader with revolver grip ... the firing-cycling mechanism is almost identical to that of the AR-15: a simple gas blowback system but it doesn't have the cosmetics that are prohibited by the stupid law ... that rifle would comply with the stupid law because it does not have a 'pistol grip.' ... it looks like a hunting rifle ...The magazine that came with the rifle held five rounds ... I've had five 20-rounds mags made for it -- the local metal shop made them for less than $15 each ... Here in Alabama there are no such restrictions as exist under the stupid law ... This rifle is not my property -- I'm storing for a friend but I use it often ... and when my friend reclaims his rifle he can repay me for the extra mags ... until then,
The point is that until the stupid law is challenged in court and overturned citizens will need to be creative in getting around it ...
Comment by Paul Szemanczky on January 21, 2013 at 12:08pm On the 90th anniversary of the Klasnikov rifle, I doubt the UN would entertain any notion of an international Gun Owners convention in Zurich or wherever when Hillary Slime-bag is doing her best to remove world home protection at home domestically through the governorships of Malloy-Cuomo etc., first so that she and Bill can consolidate what Obama pressed in his last term. Tongue in cheek, I know the NYS law is a human rights violation, but I don't have the juris-prudence to phrase it in such-terms in court or the expense to fight it in Albany. Maybe someone will!
Comment by Jack Kemp on January 21, 2013 at 11:58am Paul, the state can't violate a "Geneva Code of Rights" if it hasn't yet been ratified in Geneva - and never will be.
Comment by Jack Kemp on January 21, 2013 at 11:57am Paul, I never mentioned the Geneva Code. Neither you nor I can call for an outright breaking of the laws. Chose your words carefully. And I don't see your analogy with the Geneva Conventions and NY civilian life, an argument that you don't make clear. If you want to propose a new Geneva Convention, then you are asking for the UN to approve what gun rights Americans should have. We already have a "Virginia Convention" document on gun rights, The Second Amendment. I would also say that in Iraq, the US allowed Iraqi town dwellers and peasants to have one AK-47 for personal protection - and some bullets. Are we less worthy than an Iraqi peasant?
Comment by Paul Szemanczky on January 21, 2013 at 10:52am Jack: it's crucial in your last paragraph (and we've talked before) to highlight to your readers that it is the RESPONSIBILITY to DISOBEY an UNLAWFUL order given to NY state gunowners in order to preserve and protect their rights to life, liberty and happiness, thus they -when confronted by mayhem- have a DUTY to obey only lawful orders, and if need be we should put together a Geneva Convention of Gun Owner Rights in this Obama-inception of Criminal Actions and Policies Age. Nurenberg taught soldiers they cannot be immune 'by following superior commands' nor are they exempt from punishment afterwards for violating human rights. The NYS gun laws are as you so clearly make out: a violation of a Geneva code of rights the NRA has underwritten and many millions uphold, but NYS has violated that order and the state should be sued somehow for these violations of human Constituional rights.
Comment by Jack Kemp on January 21, 2013 at 7:50am Jim, you haven't rambled at all. Your information is very educational for me and counters some arguments I've heard criticizing the AR-15 as "spray and pray." I appreciate what you said and am going to save it.
Comment by Jim Coles on January 21, 2013 at 6:16am You're funny, Jack! A great play on words and clashing ideas.
Now more seriously -- you are right that that Left Dems really do despise anything that includes prayer because in their world view the state is the surrogate god to which all must bend their knees -- the Left simply can't deal with competition: that's anathema to them and their perverse ideology.
About 'spray & pray': when the AR-15/M-16 was first introduced there were lots of problems with the system -- due mostly to the weapon having been built with too-close tolerances ... great in the lab, wonderful on the range under controlled conditions, but awful in the dirty, nasty field ... it jammed often -- even a single grain of sand could stop the cycle ... and because the bullet was so small (originally a 55-grain solid point bullet named the M-193) most troops didn't believe it could stop a man, so very often the troops went to selector position-3 -- full-auto ... the weapon was accurate and could be controled more easily than the .308 caliber M-14 when in auto fire mode; so they'd spray an area resulting in a 10,000 round per kill average (1975 DoD report on the M-16's effectiveness).
The USMC has always emphasized marksmanship, while the Army (historically) has vascillated between teaching accuracy or overwhelming fire ... As a result of the 1975 DoD report on the M-16, the Army positively affirmed marksmanship as the basis for combat firearms training; and that doctrine persists today.
An interesting (at least to me) side note is the philosophical difference between the AK family of weapons (which are largely junk and not worth owning) and the American/NATO M-16-based family of weapons is the selector lever.
The AK-47 and its descendants was designed as a peasant's weapon ... the weapon itself is grossly made, is not accurate and the ammo is low energy; and very often those who use AK weapons really are illiterate or semi-literate peasants who lack the discipline to learn how to shoot accurately; hence the first stop in the selector lever detente is full-auto ... that weapon system is actually designed for 'spray & pray' tactics.
The AR-15/M-16 family of weapons is designed and manufactured to be a precision machine ... unlike the generally stamped pieces in the AK, American AR-15/M-16 rifles are carefully forged then machined and milled to fine (although no longer extremely fine) tolerancces. The iron sights system on our rifles is excellent and as the weapon system has matured over the last 50 years, each new iteration has included provisions for increased accuracy, such as faster rifling, more durable barrel plating, and improved alloys; and customizable stocks and hand grips that accommodate rails for hanging all kinds of cool accessories on them -- such as modern optics, range finders, lights, aiming assists like lasers, and so on...the AKs simply haven't kept pace with our weapons -- both military and civilian versions.
Note that the first slector lever detente on our weapons is 'semi' or 'fire.' Marksmanship is prime in our military, and with shooters such as myself ... it is weapons in our hands and the deep connection between guns and liberty that equalizes us with the goon squads the Left believes will enable them to suppress our liberties.
The crazed Left simply doesn't understand weapons in the first place, and they don't want to understand the values of the shooting community; and they refuse to understand the concept of personal liberty God guarantees and grants to all of mankind ... all they see is an armed civilian population that represents a threat to them personally (and deservedly so!) and to their drive to attain total power over the population and economy.
I know I rambled a bit and got away from the main topic -- please forgive me! But these are important concepts that really do say important things about the traditional American mind and culture vs. the soft tyranny of European-style liberal social welfare adherants now operating inside our culture and government ... In the end, an armed and skilled civilian population can and will destroy the socialist agenda in America -- hopefully without a single shot ever being fired ... just our ownership and ability to use our weapons stifles the Left ... and for that, we all can and should thank God.
Comment by Conrad C Gabbard on January 21, 2013 at 3:03am And when will Cuomo's guards and law enforcement in New York have the same limitations he's forcing on those who will be first to meet the criminals' rage? Should the police have the ability to "kill a large number of human beings in a very short period of time" without being equally "nonsensical" in his view?
Comment by Bob Honiker on January 20, 2013 at 11:16pm Tiananmen square activist turned American citizen demonstrates for the Second Amendment
Comment by Paul Szemanczky on January 20, 2013 at 7:30pm I see Senator "sweet-puss" Schumer (D) NY says the NRA is a 'fringe group' of extremists; someone should tell the sob that the NRA has been around since 1871, a lot longer than any stinking progressive in memory.
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