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Note: This first appeared in Breitbart.com's Big Government.


The Chevy Volt fire denials are getting harder and harder to maintain:


Last week, a fire badly damaged the home of a new Fisker Karma owner, and authorities are saying that the electric car was the source of the blaze.


According to Fort Bend County, Texas, chief fire investigator Robert Baker, the Fisker Karma started the fire that spread to the house.


“Yes, the Karma was the origin of the fire, but what exactly caused that we don't know at this time,” he said. The car was a complete loss.


Oops.


According to the report, the Karma car, which was not plugged in, caught fire less than three minutes after being driven into the garage and that the battery remains intact.


General Motors (GM) and the Barack Obama Administration have been all along ignoring at least five Chevy Volt fires, and blaming the one to which they would cop on a total-loss accident that caused severe damage to the Volt’s lithium-ion battery.


This Karma lithium-ion battery was not in a crash, and “remain(ed) intact” after the fire.  So much for the GM-Obama Volt “fix.”More on the combustible Karma:


Right before the fire, the owner reported a smell of burning rubber.


“The car was brand-new,” said Baker. “He still had paper tags on it, so it was 60 days old at [most].”


According to Baker, the Karma was a post-recall vehicle bought in April...


Baker estimated damages at roughly $100,000, not including the other two vehicles in the garage, a Mercedes-Benz SUV and an Acura NSX.


“This looks just like golf cart fires we have down here,” said Baker. The suburban Houston area has approximately 50 golf cart fires a year, he said.


Golf carts use...lithium-ion batteries.  Like the Fisker Karma.  And the Chevy Volt.


Given this newest, latest danger, I’m sure everyone is going to now finally open up and be totally forthright.


“I've worked homicide scenes with less secrecy,” Baker added. “There have to be about 15 engineers down here working on this one.”


Oh.  Maybe not.


When reached for comment, Fisker had this to say:


Last week, Fisker Automotive was made aware of a garage fire involving three vehicles, including a Karma sedan, that were parked at a newly-constructed residence in Sugar Land, Texas. There were no injuries.


There are conflicting reports and uncertainty surrounding this particular incident. The cause of the fire is not yet known and is being investigated.


You read Chief Fire Investigator Baker’s assessment.  Does he seem conflicted?


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The “conflicting reports and uncertainty surrounding this particular incident” are:


  1. Reality, and
  2. The increasingly unbelievable fairy tale the virulently pro-electric car crowd wishes to spin to protect their flammable Car With No of the Future.


But this is the first time these sorts of “conflicting reports and uncertainty” have existed around an Volt-esque battery, yes?


Ummm, no:


(T)he Volt caught fire again, this time, apparently, from where the battery is located.


The mystery is deepened by the fact that before the first fire, the Volt was plugged in, recharging over night (as was the Samurai); in the second fire, however, the plug-in hybrid (what was left of it) was not connected to a power source...


GM's people seem to have found no actual problem with the Volt....


Again, no:


(And o)n Wednesday (April 11), a General Motors (GM) lithium-ion battery exploded and caused a fire at a research facility near its Detroit headquarters.  Most unfortunately,…one employee faces life-threatening injuries....


After the explosion, GM issued a statement – then an updated statement – in which they asserted:


“The battery tested and the incident have no connection with the Chevrolet Volt or any other GM production vehicle.”


And then there’s this:


Duke Energy is warning some of its customers after a fire started at a home in Mooresville (North Carolina).


Investigators said they do not know what started the fire, but they fear it could be a (Chevy Volt) electric car charging station. As a result, Duke Energy officials want anyone who has a charging station to stop using it until they know the devices are safe....


Duke Energy sounds about as conflicted as Chief Fire Investigator Baker.


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Reality would seem to dictate that the Chevy Volt may very well have a fire problem.  It may be the battery.  It may be the charging station.  It may be the upwards of 158 degree Fahrenheit charging cable.


We don’t know.  What we do know is that GM and the Obama Administration are repeatedly denying what appears to be increasingly obvious.


And the resulting damage keeps mounting.

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Comment by cornelius van sant on May 15, 2012 at 12:07pm

See what I mean? These things are in the public record. But that was a half a decade ago; one whines, stretching time. The other mocks euphemistically about "Prozac"  which is almost assuredly in his medicine cabinet. In denial of his error; projection is the symptom, Obama has it bad.

Projection is when the sick person takes his own malady and projects it on others; the fox smells his own hole. I don't expect anything else from the neurosis, or the (think they know it all) bully boys who pretend to be Tea Party.

Comment by William T. Clark on May 15, 2012 at 11:33am

Brother I believe you need to take your Prozac pills before you wig out.  Dude, seriously??? lol  Did they let you out or did you escape???

Comment by William T. Clark on May 15, 2012 at 11:28am

Wow don't know what happened but only half my reply got posted. 

In any event, lead batteries heat up much more than lead when charging at only 30A.  That's been my experience. The Lifepo4 batteries that I use don't get even warm at interstate speeds, also my experience.

GM's volt battery fires were NOT caused by the battery, but the coolant which has been reformulated to eliminate that design oversight but it wasn't the battery.  They can cause a fire if they are intentionally abused by overcharging AND there happens to be a source of ignition at the moment the solvent escapes, but what are the odds of that?  Normal driving, even driving like a maniac won't cause them to heat enough to vent so if they are in a crash, there will be no fire. 

Of all those I know and it is many that have converted vehicles to electric, usually non-electrical skilled people, there has been no fires that I'm aware of.

You seem to have a vendetta against EV's for some reason but as I said, one day you will own one and love it, provided you live long enough and your ego doesn't get in your way.

Oh, just yesterday I read an article that resulted from the GM Volt fires investigations where the NTSB stated that EV's are no more likely to catch fire than any other vehicle.

Comment by William T. Clark on May 15, 2012 at 11:15am

Corn, regardless of your previous post, that was half a decade ago, much of that info if even true then isn't now thus is irrelevant. 

Since you continue to beat this horse, here's what you posted and I'll explain what is incorrect in that post, untruths that you posted, not a lie necessarily but untrue nonetheless in the manner you describe it.

Batteries are the Achilles heel of electric vehicles and fires have been a common side effect of their use; ...

Until the breakthrough that solves the extreme heat generated by these batteries, I recommend parking the vehicles outside the home or in an attached garage to avoid human tragedy.

Comment by cornelius van sant on May 15, 2012 at 9:42am

Let me see if I can do this Quickly. I am Director of Educational Research for the Sol Vis (Sun Power) Foundation. Our mission is sustainable engineering feasibility and education. We are listed with the Department of Energy and licensed in the state of FL. Here is my conservative column with Newsvine http://corneliusvansant.newsvine.com/ 

In 2007, a company commissioned us to study the feasibility of the "E-ray." This was a "plug-in." It was innovational, composite (light) over a space frame (safety) and a three-seater. It was similar to an el Camino with a photovoltaic tanau. the TM was young urban families. My team's task was to evaluate the power train engineering and develop a training curriculum for plant workers. 

Ultimately, E-ray never got off the ground. Why? - the battery:

  1. Cost: 10 times lead acid
  2. The lack of charging infrastructure
  3. Physics limitations on rapid charging
  4. Quality control and dependability of manifest multi-cell construction
  5. Rare earth mine geographical limitation and expenses
  6. Onerous and expensive EPA recycling regulation
  7. Effects of diverse climate on useable life
  8. Instant DC discharge hazards in collisions and rescue
  9. Heat, fire and explosion instability
  10. Reliance on redundant cooling and fire safety systems

 There were more, but in the interest of time and band width I will end there for now. Ultimately, legal liabilities changed investment banker minds and did the project in.                               

But just a little research drops the veil from the fire and explosion hazards of the lithium battery. The chemical energy storage industry is very mature, with numerous major corporations involved in research for more than a century. As a result, the state of the art in storage has had very few recent breakthroughs, and the few that have been realized are incredulously expensive (approximately half all vehicle production costs) and volatile. 

Don't believe the bully boys - intolerant of what the informed think, or submit to their insults and/or browbeating. They have a clinical neurological malady called narcissism and cannot help what they do. 

Comment by cornelius van sant on May 15, 2012 at 3:59am

Children who want to burn coal for clean air.

Comment by William T. Clark on May 14, 2012 at 8:17pm

Here ya go.  Here's what buying hybrid and electrics do for American BESIDES lowering our need for imported oil which takes money from the US and helping clean the air Donna breathes.  Toyota Prius sales up, expanding, hiring 80. 

Comment by William T. Clark on May 14, 2012 at 3:36pm

Well Donna if you would communicate your point well I wouldn't ask what you said but from your comment about "greeners" I took that to mean you disagree with those who think the air you breathe could be a little cleaner.  I really don't know WTF you said thus my request for clarification of what  you said.  In redneck terms, WTF are you trying to say?  Do  you understand that a little better?

Comment by cornelius van sant on May 14, 2012 at 2:17pm

 The condescending and mean spirited tone you display with those of whom you disagree reveals the color of your heart. Game on!

 

You still will not, or more likely, cannot justify your claim of "half truths" and "lies."

 

So, in front of all, right here, right now Einstein, those who are thinking challenge you to tell us which and why my comments are "untruths" and lies. C'mon "dude" do your research; engage in intelligent colloquy to settle arguments - not ad hominem insults; grow up!

 

But you have no answer, cannot defend yourself and you are judged by the same measure you judge. You are the "liar;" lying about others who disagree with you. Your accusation is merely a projection as you stubbornly cling to your haughty ignorance. And faced with this dilemma, you  take upon the posture of a school yard bully, every teacher is familiar with. OK, you started it; I am going to finish it.

 

Are you Sleepy's half brother, Awake? Let us both be silly; I can play that game Mister "Awake," or whatever your hidden real name is? - But maybe it is a way to get through your thick skull; in reality, you seem more akin to Dopey. I bet you drool all over yourself and your knuckles drag on the floor. In the dictionary, the picture along side "troll" is your likeness; LOL.

 

How is that for middle school ad hominem that this man? relishes? This is the prototype right here my friends - and school is in recess; here he comes with all his lackeys ready to embarrass, insult and push around. He knows no humility, is scurrilous and cannot admit he has said wrong things, slandered and bullied others with nasty and personal attacks. I bet he gets off on it.

 

So let us ask him once more in the interest of science and try to get through to something resembling gray matter. Oh Mr. "Awake" - to redeem yourself, avoid further embarrassment of being caught in your own lie, intellectual recalcitrance and stubborn denial bordering on neurosis.- Which and what, are my "half truths" and "lies?"

 

And if you will answer intelligently we can be civil, and cease this adolescent behavior. Can you possibly pull yourself together and participate in the exchange of ideas so we can bring back civility in these comments, Mr "Awake?"

 

Comment by cornelius van sant on May 14, 2012 at 11:49am

So now you are going to start picking on Donna. Leave her alone bully boys. You will don't' support what you say. You imply others are lying but will not deal with challenges to your statements.

In denial of the volatility of the lithium problem, you love to troll the site and pick on others. Well you will not get away with it with me. I challenge you both, once again - Just what "half truths am I guilty of? You claim I lie but will not answer challenges directly. Back up your idiocies! C'mon clown boys, Got nothing better to do than to bully people with you illogical narcissistic ramblings? 

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