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“…laying its FOUNDATION on such principles and organizing its powers in such FORM…”

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The focus of this group to re-introduce and act on those principles you and your children were never taught in school.  The "Law of Nature" is one of those foundational principles that inspired the formation of our Constitutional Republic.

 

It is not the purpose of this group to engage in lofty philosophical discussions.  I’m a layman, here to learn and encourage others to learn about the fundamental law that inspired our Founders and Nation.  This is not an intellectual exercise; this is an attempt to arm ourselves and our children with a confident knowledge of the basis for our great and ongoing American experiment.  That free men and women can govern themselves.

While we work to restore our constitutional house let us be mindful of its foundation:

 

"...the separate and equal station to which the laws of nature and of nature's God entitle them..."

 

“Let us tenderly and kindly cherish, therefore, the means of knowledge. Let us dare to read, think, speak, and write. Let every order and degree among the people rouse their attention and animate their resolution. Let them all become attentive to the grounds and principles of government, ecclesiastical and civil. Let us study the law of nature…”

 

John Adam’s 1765
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If you’re not familiar with the "Law of Nature" and want a quick overview go HERE.

To download or review John Locke’s Second of “Two Treatises of Civil Government”? Go (HERE)

To review and comment on specific applications of Locke's treatise to today go (HERE)and look for the "Applying Locke" titles.

 


 

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APPLYING LOCKE - SHARIA LAW

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APPLYING LOCKE – ONE WORLD GOVERNMENT

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Comment by Jon Brunke on March 15, 2012 at 7:33pm

Goodbusiness,

Not to worry my friend.  The longer I watch the fools in DC the more convinced I am that they can't do anything other than run our great nation into the ground.  At some point I absolutely believe a number of our countrymen will stand up once again for the idea that we we're meant to live as free and secure as we can.

Comment by Nathan on August 15, 2011 at 3:41pm
The Rights of the Colonists by Samuel Adams
The Report of the Committee of Correspondence to the Boston Town Meeting.
November 20, 1772

I. Natural Rights of the Colonists as Men.
Among the natural rights of the Colonists are these: First, a right to life; Secondly, to liberty; Thirdly, to property; together with the right to support and defend them in the best manner they can. These are evident branches of, rather than deductions from, the duty of self-preservation, commonly called the first law of nature.

All men have a right to remain in a state of nature as long as they please; and in case of intolerable oppression, civil or religious, to leave the society they belong to, and enter into another.

When men enter into society, it is by voluntary consent; and they have a right to demand and insist upon the performance of such conditions and previous limitations as form an equitable original compact.

Every natural right not expressly given up, or, from the nature of a social compact, necessarily ceded, remains.

All positive and civil laws should conform, as far as possible, to the law of natural reason and equity.

As neither reason requires nor religion permits the contrary, every man living in or out of a state of civil society has a right peaceably and quietly to worship God according to the dictates of his conscience.

"Just and true liberty, equal and impartial liberty," in matters spiritual and temporal, is a thing that all men are clearly entitled to by the eternal and immutable laws of God and nature, [418]as well as by the law of nations and all well-grounded municipal laws, which must have their foundation in the former.

In regard to religion, mutual toleration in the different professions thereof is what all good and candid minds in all ages have ever practised, and, both by precept and example, inculcated on mankind. And it is now generally agreed among Christians that this spirit of toleration, in the fullest extent consistent with the being of civil society, is the chief characteristical mark of the Church. Insomuch that Mr. Locke has asserted and proved, beyond the possibility of contradiction on any solid ground, that such toleration ought to be extended to all whose doctrines are not subversive of society. The only sects which he thinks ought to be, and which by all wise laws are excluded from such toleration, are those who teach doctrines subversive of the civil government under which they live. The Roman Catholics or Papists are excluded by reason of such doctrines as these, that princes excommunicated may be deposed, and those that they call heretics may be destroyed without mercy; besides their recognizing the Pope in so absolute a manner, in subversion of government, by introducing, as far as possible into the states under whose protection they enjoy life, liberty, and property, that solecism in politics, imperium in imperio, leading directly to the worst anarchy and confusion, civil discord, war, and bloodshed.

The natural liberty of man, by entering into society, is abridged or restrained, so far only as is necessary for the great end of society, the best good of the whole.

In the state of nature every man is, under God, judge and sole judge of his own rights and of the injuries done him. By entering into society he agrees to an arbiter or indifferent judge between him and his neighbors; but he no more renounces his original right than by taking a cause out of the ordinary course of law, and leaving the decision to referees or indifferent arbitrators.

http://www.constitution.org/bcp/right_col.htm
Comment by Jon Brunke on April 15, 2011 at 10:17am

Original Foundational Principles and Limits of Government

Declaration of Independence

 
“When… one people… dissolve the political bonds which have connected them with another, and… assume... the separate and equal station to which the laws of nature and of nature's God entitle them… it is the right of the people to… institute new government laying its foundation on such principles… as to them shall seem most likely to effect their safety and happiness.”


“These are what are called revolution principles… They are the principles of Aristotle and Plato, of Livy and Cicero, and Sydney, Harrington and Locke… The principles on which the whole government over us, now stands.”

John Adams January 23rd, 1775

Two Treatise of Government John Locke - Book Two

Why do people form societies? CHAPTER 8, of the Beginning of Political Societies § 95:

“Men being, as has been said, by nature, all free, equal, and independent… divests himself of his natural liberty, and puts on the bonds of civil society… agreeing with other men to join and unite into a community, for their comfortable, safe, and peaceable living one amongst another, in a secure enjoyment of their properties, and a greater security against any, that are not of it.


Why do people form Governments? CHAPTER 9, Of the Ends of Political Society and Government § 123:

“If man in the state of nature be so free, as has been said… absolute lord of his own person and possessions, equal to the greatest, and subject to nobody… why will he part with his freedom? …it is obvious to answer… for all being kings as much as he, every man his equal, and the greater part no strict observers of equity and justice, the enjoyment of the property he has in this state is very unsafe, very unsecure.”


What is the purpose of Government? CHAPTER 9, Of the Ends of Political Society and Government § 124:

The great and chief end, therefore, of men’s uniting into commonwealths, and putting themselves under government, is the preservation of their property.”


Why maintain separate Governments? CHAPTER 9, Of the Ends of Political Society and Government § 128:

“…in the state of nature… a man has two powers... The first is to do whatsoever he thinks fit for the preservation of himself and others within the permission of the law of nature: by which law, common to them all, he and all the rest of mankind are one community, make up one society… And, were it not for the corruption and viciousness of degenerate men, there would be no need of any other; no necessity that men should separate from this great and natural community, and by positive agreements combine into smaller and divided associations.


What are the limits a Governments power? CHAPTER 11, Of the Extent of the Legislative Power § 135:

“Though the legislative… be the supreme power in every commonwealth… it is not, nor can possibly be absolutely arbitrary over the lives and fortunes of the people: for it being but the joint power of every member of the society given up to that person, or assembly, which is legislator; it can be no more than those persons had in a state of nature before they entered into society, and gave up to the community: for nobody can transfer to another more power than he has in himself…”

The obligations of the law of nature cease not in society… Thus the law of nature stands as an eternal rule to all men, legislators as well as others. The rules that they make for other men's actions, must, as well as their own and other men's actions, be conformable to the law of nature…”

Comment by Jon Brunke on April 9, 2011 at 3:07pm

LP,
Thanks for the reference. One of the things I noticed about the founders is they’re tendency to begin at the beginning when studying or in this case recounting something. I could not help but notice the remarkable similarity between Madison’s opening remark in this letter and John Lockes’ explanation why men form governments. It seems this letter at its opening suggests another example of just how impressed Lockean theory was imbedded in this man’s mind. Thank you once again.

 
“As the weakness and wants of man naturally lead to an association of individuals, under a common authority whereby each may have the protection of the whole against danger from without, and enjoy in safety within”

James Madison

“IF man in the state of nature be so free, as has been said… why will he give up this empire, and subject himself to the dominion and controul of any other power? To which it is obvious to answer, that though in the state of nature he hath such a right, yet the enjoyment of it is very uncertain, and constantly exposed to the invasion of others... the enjoyment of the property he has in this state is very unsafe, very unsecure.”

John Locke

Comment by Jon Brunke on April 9, 2011 at 10:50am

Hello Christopher,

I’m sorry for not responding earlier and you are quite welcome for the invitation.  I'm not familiar with the Karl Popper.

 

My purpose in forming this blog is to bring layman like myself and scholars together in the hope that the core philosophical ideas behind our American experiment could be explained and more importantly applied to our lives and situation today. Too often philosophy is framed as some difficult elite sphere in which most men have no interest.  Though it can be I don’t see that it necessarily must be. I am quite certain Locke’s treatise is a good foundation for that purpose.

 

Finally my focus on the “Laws of Nature” is derived from my belief that it represents the spirit (if you will) behind the words of our Declaration and Constitution.  John Adams wrote that it was the changes in what the colonists believed before the revolution that produced it.  While I don’t advocate revolution, knowledge of this aspect of the American experiment I believe was essential to securing our liberty.

 

I believe it is no less essential that we understand and apply these principles of liberty today as we strive to restore our Republic.

Comment by Jon Brunke on April 2, 2011 at 8:23pm

Hey LP,

 

I read Locke's two treatises twenty five years ago.  The idea of a "State of Nature" pre-existing our government made a profound impression on me.  When the Tea Party started forming up I started studying him in close detail.

 

I choose to focus on his account of the Laws of Nature because his "Two Treatises of Government" are relatively easy to read.  So many of the founders recommend his political theory (among others) that it's obvious to me they believed understanding it would serve to help maintian our liberty.

Comment by Jon Brunke on April 2, 2011 at 7:58pm

While reading about John Adam's it was brought to my attention that when he wrote about the American Revolution he often refer to the "principles of nature and eternal reason" on which it was based.  Gee and I thought the revolution was over taxes.

 

“These are what are called revolution principles. They are the principles of Aristotle and Plato, of Livy and Cicero, and Sydney, Harrington and Locke. The principles of nature and eternal reason. The principles on which the whole government over us, now stands. It is therefore astonishing, if anything can be so, that writers, who call themselves friends of government, should in this age and country, be so inconsistent with themselves, so indiscreet, so immodest, as to insinuate a doubt concerning them.”

Comment by Jon Brunke on November 23, 2010 at 10:56am
I’m posting this with gratitude to Publius’s for the material she brought forward last week. It broadened my research criteria in a great direction. Here is one of my latest finds on the connections between the “Laws of Nature” via John Locke as the political foundation for our Declaration of Independence and Constitution. It lacks the immediate authority of Publius’s post connecting Jefferson and Madison to the “Laws of Nature” but its author didn’t fall to far from the tree.

An excerpt from; The Jubilee of the Constitution – 1839 A discourse by John Quincy Adams on the fifth anniversary of Washington’s presidency. This is what John Adams son mentioned during his review of the American Revolution.

“The revolution itself was a work of thirteen years and had never been completed until that day [April 30th 1789]. The Declaration of Independence and the Constitution of the United States, are parts of one consistent whole, founded upon one and the same theory of government, then new, not as a theory, for it had been working itself into the mind of man for many ages, and been especially expounded in the writings of Locke, but had never before been adopted by a great nation in practice.”

Source Document
Comment by Jon Brunke on November 20, 2010 at 9:29am
I am deeply grateful to Publius for bringing the following material to us. The following excerpt from the University of Virginia - Board of Visitors minutes again affirm the importance of including Locke’s principles in our education and effort to restore our Republic.

I knew Jefferson explicitly stipulated that the Laws of Nature would be taught at the University. In the following material Jefferson and Madison among others place the importance of Locke’s thoughts right alongside the Declaration of Independence and Federalist papers.

Knowing Locke’s thoughts on the “Law of nature” had a significant influence on the founders I also believe they influenced the colonists. It was the fuel that nourished the flame so to speak. I’m persuaded to some degree it was those colonials who understood the source of their inalienable rights that were the most ardent patriots. My hope is that Locke’s writing will strengthen you in your resolve to restore Constitutional government to our shores.

Please join me in reviewing this important work. Whether my view is accurate or not we will have made this effort in the good company of Jefferson and Madison among many, many other great American patriots.

March 4, 1825, "Present: Thomas Jefferson Rector, James Madison, George Loyall, John H. Cocke, and Joseph C. Cabell. A Resolution was moved and agreed to in the following words.”

“…to pay especial attention to the principles of government which shall be inculcated therein, and to provide that none shall be inculcated which are incompatible with those on which the Constitutions of this state, and of the US were genuinely based… for this purpose it may be necessary to point out specifically where these principles are to be found legitimately developed.”

“…it is the opinion of this board that… the general principles of liberty and the rights of man in nature and in society, the doctrines of Locke, in his `Essay concerning the true original extent and end of civil government’… may be considered as those generally approved by our fellow-citizens of this, and of the US and that on the distinctive principles of the government of our own state, and of that of the US the best guides are to be found in 1. the Declaration of Independance, as the fundamental act of union of these states. 2. the book known by the title of `The Federalist', being an authority to which appeal is habitually made by all, and rarely declined or denied by any as evidence of the general opinion of those who framed, and of those who accepted the Constitution of the US on questions as to its genuine meaning...these shall be used as the text and documents of the school.”

Full Text Link: http://xtf.lib.virginia.edu/xtf/view?docId=2006_04/uvaGenText/tei/b...
Comment by Jon Brunke on November 19, 2010 at 11:18am
Welcome to the group Christopher, let me know if you have any questions.
 

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