We are reaching that point where we have to start coalescing behind a candidate. For months now we have been discussing the candidates and there pros and cons. We know who the establishment party candidates are, we know who the smaller government candidates are and we know who the most undesirable candidates are. We NO LONGER have the luxury to promote the myth that any one of them is "unelectable". It is WE who decide
unelectability, not the parties or the so called political experts or the media. Unlike any other time, at this particular point in history we could elect a no-name candidate and they would win, as long as we have coalesced behind them.
It is time we told the party elite and the establishment politicians we have had enough. We MUST get behind that candidate that will truly strive for smaller government, less regulation and Constitutional adherence. We can no longer afford the government status quo. It must shrink and it must do it NOW.
We MUST start being honest with ourselves. We have at least three candidates that claim to be conservative and claim to have broad Tea Party support, but in reality according to their record, they are big government politicians and will NOT shrink the size of government. In essence, they will be NO different than what we now have.
We have at least two candidates that are conservative and do enjoy Tea Party support and are worthy of the task ahead of us. It is these we must get behind. We hear daily that they are "unelectable" and should NOT support them. This is the party machine telling us who to vote for. This is the party machine manipulating us into picking THEIR selection. We have one candidate that is a Progressive socialist. His record shows this to be true and his promises as well.
I remember when one of our goals was to reclaim the Republican party and it's original conservative values, well people, we are failing at that task. As a matter of fact, it is the Republican party that is slowly and secretly reclaiming us. We MUST NOT let that happen.
There it is. A daunting task to be sure, but one we are very capable of performing. So lets get off our duffs, tell the "unelectable" crowd they are full of it, and come together..
Permalink Reply by Tim Sheflin on I do agree whole heartedly with you, joe, but I damn well will not vote for another version of Obama in the primary. That is why we must be communicating daily so we can approach that ever important primary with the candidate that will accomplish the daunting task in front of us. Personally, the ONLY candidate I have crossed off my list is Jon Huntsman. The record shows he is just as progressively liberal as Obama. Beyond that, yes, I will support and vote for ANYBODY BUT OBAMA.
Permalink Reply by American Infidel on Santorum 2012!
http://www.teapartynation.com/group/senator-rick-santorum
I am voting my conscience in the Primary, and I think Santorum may surprise us all. Most Cain supporters I know, (and I used to be one of them myself) have come over to Santorum, and are very happy with their choice. However, if Santorum does not get the nomination, I too will hold my nose and vote for the Republican nominee.
Permalink Reply by ConCap on Yes, it is time to come together.
Come together for the Constitution, not a candidate or political party.
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It is not time to split the party,
It is time to split the people,
Those 100% for the Constitution as written.
And those not 100% for the Constitution as written.
This will be the new two party system.
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No third party. TOO LATE!
The Republican Party is morphing and there is nothing anyone can do about it.
A new branch of the Republican Party is inadvertently being formed by Republicans who refuse to advocate their social concerns on the state and local level and move to the fiscal right on a federal level with the Tea Party movement.
Most of the current Republican Party is morphing with the Moderate Democratic Conservatives who are being forced to move to the right by the radical hard left, thus insuring a social leaning branch of the Republican Party (The Mod’s) thus forcing the Constitutional minded further to the right. This is the main reason for the formation of the Tea Party movement.
The vote is split four ways now.
The Republican Party
The Democratic Party
The Tea Party Movement
The hard left Progressive Party (currently run by Obama)
I think it will end up something like this.
The Republican Party
(Tea Party, fiscal, Constitutional)
The Social Republican Party
(Left leaning Republicans morphed with Right leaning Democrats, the mod‘s, thus phasing out the Democratic Party)
The hard left Progressive Party (The one Obama is representing now)
The new forth party we have now, will then be the third party.
In the end, do to the combined size of the Social Republican Party,
(Left leaning Republicans morphed with Right leaning Democrats, the mod‘s)
The third party, the Progressives will be left powerless and phase out along with the left over Democrats that did not morph with the right, then we will be back to two a two party system again.
The Republican Party on the right
(Tea Party, fiscal, Constitutional, those 100% for the Constitution as written)
And the
The Social Republican Party On the left.
(both Left leaning Republicans morphed with Right leaning Democrats, the Mod‘s, those not 100% for the Constitution as written.)
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As most on TPN know, I place the Constitution to the far right, and anyone who advocates any thing on a federal level that is not in 100% compliance of the Constitution as written (not interpreted) is to the left.
The more things you advocate non Constitutional, the farther you are to the left. Social Conservatives (on a federal level) are farther to the left than say Fiscal Conservatives.
Being 100% for the Constitution makes you conservative, not a Conservative.
There are as many Conservatives as there are people.
Every one is trying to conserve what they believe in through politics, left or right.
You can’t just call your self a generic “Conservative” , you must call your self a Constitutional Conservative ( No social issues on a Federal level ) and differentiate your self from the other so called Conservatives that have compromised away all of our lost freedoms in the last 60 years.
Section 8, Article I and nothing more. (on a Federal level)
In my opinion, one should always back the person in the primaries who is deemed Constitutionally farthest to the right and brings (no social issues) to the Federal level, wither you personally like that person or not.
If that person drops out, or is found non deserving, one should then pick up the flag of the next person farthest to the right, so on and so on. One should not even talk about anyone on the list left of the person farthest to the right until it is his or her turn.
To back any one left of the person farthest to the right is a COMPROMISE to the existents of our Constitution and the Nation.
Any one who backs any one left of the farthest person to the right, mainly does so because of (ME, ME, ME) by placing their personal social issues before the Constitutional need of the Nation on a Federal level.
That’s why we end up with people like Huckabee, Romney, McCain, Bush II and others like them.
Technically speaking, no one should back any one in the primaries on the Federal level, based on their personal social issues.
To do this, is to FORCE others through Federal taxation to back their cause.
One should take this fight to the State or local level.
Should the vote for President, come down to some one, one does not like, one should simply vote for the one that is farthest to the right.
Do not, NOT VOTE,
I think, if one would follow this idea, it should not come down to voting for the lesser of the two evils because the one we ended up with would be the one farthest to the right.
If it does come down to voting for the lesser of the two evils, it is because members on the right in part, but self in front of Country and failed to unite as a whole and support the candidate best qualified to protect the Constitution and the Nation.
The more a candidate believes in making non Constitutional issues an issue on a Federal level, the farther they are to the left. Also, considering their oath of office, the more criminal they are.
You should all ways vote for the candidate farthest to the right wither you personally like that candidate or not, no matter WHAT.
Be “A” political. You do not have political to vote. Rate who you back in the primaries by how they appear to uphold the true meaning of the Constitution as written (not interpreted)
Until there is a movement that is “A” political, and who’s goal is the reinstatement of a Federal Government that is strictly run under the guidance of the U.S. Constitution, there is no hope for our Nation as intended by our founding Fathers‘.
As for Paul
His Constitutional stand, far outweighs anything one may PERSONALLY think.
Why do people think, as soon as he is elected, all of his (so called radical) ideas will become law?
With all those left wing members of the Republican Party in office now, most of his ideas (good or bad) will never have a chance.
Be sides, all most all of these arguments against Paul have nothing to do with the Constitution and if he does anything, he will make them a States rights issue.
Right to Left
CAIN-PAUL-HUNTSMAN-BACHMANN (PERRY-GINGRICH-ROMNEY, TIE)
It is not time to split the party,
It is time to split the people,
Those 100% for the Constitution as written.
And those not 100% for the Constitution as written.
This will be the new two party system.
Cut and dry,
For or Against.
iF YOU DON'T KNOW WHO TO VOTE FOR, VOTE FOR THE CONSTITUTION.
THE FIRST TWO SESSIONS OF CONGRESS WERE “A” POLITICAL AND ALL FRESHMEN.
IT WORKED ALL RIGHT THEN, IT WILL WORK AGAIN.
NOTHING MATTERS BUT THE FULL COMPLIANCE OF THE CONSTITUTION OF THE UNITED STATES…. THE REST WILL TAKE CARE OF IT’S SELF.
CONCAP
Constitutional Capitalist-20yr retired combat vet.
Permalink Reply by Tim Sheflin on Very well put, CONCAP. I do not disagree with one thing you have said, but, our government has been dragged so far left that it isn't a simple case of electing the Constitutional candidate that is all the way to the right. As much as that would be desirable, we must first STOP the shift to the left then reverse the direction back to the right where it truly belongs. That WON'T be done in this election. The left has had over 100 years to drag us to where we are and we have slept while they dragged us. We are now awake and what is important is stopping that left motion. If this means we elect a center right candidate, then so be it. Then after those four years, we elect those that will bring it even furthur right. This process isn't going to chnage over night or in the next 4 years. It is going to take a VERY long time, but we MUST start NOW.
I rate these candidates in this way, with the left being left and the right being right.
Huntsman, Romney, Gingrich, Perry, Santorum, Bachmann, Paul
Now we all know that Obama is alot furthur left of ANY of these candidates, for that matter, he is so far left, he gives Progressives a good name. As much as I want that return to Constitutional governance, it ain't gonna happen next year, so we MUST do it in increments. Looking at that list above, that is why I have eliminated only one name off it. My leanings start at the far right, but I am a realist and know that the final candidate we present will come from the middle. The parties are rather mute at this point other than they are the only agendas we have in order to choose our candidates. I would love to see the party system disappear, but we all know that isn't going to happen. So, if we have to settle for center/right inorder to reverse direction, then I am ready, willing and able to support that candidate chosen, at least for the first four years.
For the record, I have been calling myself a Constitutional Conservative for more than 30 years now. We are a Republic of laws and the law of the land is The Constitution. At least we have a playbook, all the left has is a 60's radical's book for their playbook and historical, it has ALWAYS failed.
The important election in 2012 won't be the President, it will be who we send to Congress. With the right people in office, we can finally take our Republic back.
Permalink Reply by ConCap on Tim
Thanks for the reply.
There is one way to get this done in our life time.
Circumvent the Government with a law, like the Government circumvents the Constitution with laws.
A Constitutional amendment recombining the Oath of Office with the old Lincoln
test oath, and making it legally binding and punishable in a court of law.
If we push the oath angle just as strong as the Constitution that will put a stop to the movement left.
What do you think?
Permalink Reply by Tim Sheflin on Another good possibility, but, we still need Congress to do that. Keep in mind, we want to avoid at all costs a Constitutional Convention because of the the damage they could do when we open it up that way. The best way is to direct our Representatives to introduce a single Constitutional Amendment and that will be the only one the States have to vote on. It is a great Idea, but it still isn't likely to happen in my lifetime. The quickest Amendment ever passed, not counting the first 10, was the Repeal of Prohibition. The longest took 6 years.
We must keep in mind that they already take an oath that swears them to protect and UPHOLD the Constitution. I think it would be far faster for us to remind them of that than to create a new oath.
Even though recombining the Oaths is a geat Idea, we must start with Congress. It is there that we will have our best advantage to accomplish the task ahead of us. We MUST change the Senate. They are the ones that confirm Supreme Court Justices and these justices are the ones we MUST return to Constitutional rulings instead of Precedence rulings. Once we control Congress, we control the purse strings, the appointment confirmation process, the rules establishments in both chambers and the reinstituting of Constitutional law instead of Congressional and Executive law.
I'm with you 100%, but, we must take this one step at a time and I feel Congress is the first step.
Permalink Reply by ConCap on I thought of that all so. After the post.
What if each State made their oath legally binding for there own State Constitution and shamed the Fed’s into making some kind law, making their oath legally binding as well?
Permalink Reply by Tim Sheflin on Now you're talking. You see, our power will come from the States, not from us as a majority. If we control the state houses and legislatures, which we can, we can pretty much force the feds in the direction we want. Of course, one of the first actions would have to be the repeal of the 17th Amendment. Once the states have the ability to choose their Senators, and if we control the states, we now have the type of Constitutional government the founding fathers wanted.
See, it isn't going to be easy, but if we can come together and stay strong, it will happen. I have NO doubt in my mind that we can turn it around, but we are going to have to teach our children and have them teach theirs on keeping the pressure on. If we do that, we win.
Permalink Reply by doug lefevre on Here's a thought what if we elect whatever nominee other then Obama then right after there is sworn in we start pushing. Third-party. I agree we need to take the Senate and keep the house in 2012. But right after we start pushing a tea party for patriot party. That way were not just after the DNC were after real change. The ones we have to choose from now are still part of the machine and none of them are for changes we need. We can go third-party now. Because we need to get Obama out. Yet if we go after the GOP candidate we separate ourselves from the machine and establish that we are the people.
Permalink Reply by ConCap on That is something that can't just be done. It must evolve.
It is evolving now, thou it is slow. If Obama wins again, this will only help speed up the evolution and bring in a solid base for us to build on and use to take over the Republican Party not form a third party.
CONCAP
Constitutional Capitalist-20yr retired combat vet. 75-95 and a Keeper of the Oath.
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