The left likes to call it the “birther” issue. The term birther is used as a derisive term by the left, much as truther is. Of course the difference is truthers beliefs are based on a paranoid ideology, where as the birther issue is based on facts.
I prefer to call it the eligibility issue, not the birther issue. Whether you agree or not, the people who are pushing the eligibility issue are on our side. It is certainly counter-productive to deride them like liberals do.
Recently a whole stream of Republicans have come out, at the prompting of the drive by media, to reassure us that Obama is a citizen and oh, yes, he is a Christian too.
Last Sunday, at the prodding of David Gregory on Meet the Press, or as Rush likes to call it, Meet the depressed, Boehner said, the State of Hawaii had said he was born there, that was good enough for him.
Karl Rove, not a friend of the Tea Party, pushed the RINO line that Obama is a citizen and Sarah Palin, at a meeting in Long Island, a few days ago, also denounced the eligibility issue. Palin ended her remarks on the subject by saying, “let’s stick with what really matters.”
This issue does matter.
There are three variations on the eligibility issue. Two are based on undisputed facts. The third is in dispute.
The most commonly reported of the eligibility challenges is the claim that Obama was actually born in Kenya, not Hawaii. I believe, based on the available evidence, that it is more likely than not, Obama was actually born in Hawaii. Obama has spent a lot of time and (other people’s) money, keeping his original birth certificate out of sight.
Why?
Jack Cashill is one of my favorite writers and he has a theory which I think makes sense, that Obama was in fact born in Hawaii, but there is something else on his birth certificate that would destroy the myth of Barack Obama. (See his website, Cashill.com). In the law, there is a presumption that if a party has exclusive access to a piece of evidence and will not release it, the evidence must be adverse to their position.
The second eligibility issue is the claim that because Barack Obama’s father was a Kenyan, a British subject at the time of Obama’s birth, he is not a natural born citizen.
The third is the argument that because Barack Obama was adopted as a child by an Indonesian and moved to Indonesia, he is not an American citizen. Under the law at that time, if an American child was adopted by a citizen of another country and moved to that country, he lost his citizenship. He could regain his citizenship by applying at an American Embassy when he was 18, but would then be treated as a naturalized citizen and thus ineligible to be President.
What is stunning about all of this is the mainstream Republican reaction to the eligibility issues.
The RINOs turn their noses up at the people who want the answers, which, incidentally is 60% of Republican voters. They turn their noses up at the Tea Party movement. Yet, they do not take a moment to consider why this is important.
If Barack Obama is proved to be ineligible to be President, everything he has done is wiped out. Obamacare is gone. The START treaty is gone. The liberal lunatics Obama has appointed to the Federal Judiciary, including the two he has put on the Supreme Court are gone.
Much of the damage Obama has done to this country can be undone. Unfortunately, the Country Club Republicans remain clueless. In their minds, the Democrats are simply the lower class versions of themselves. They do not understand that if the party of treason has its way, America will be forever changed and ultimately destroyed.
The Courts have so far brushed aside all of the eligibility claims. None have been addressed on the merits under the claim that Americans lack standing to challenge the issue. Recently, the Supreme Court has given some indication it may consider one of the issues. We can only hope.
What are the chances of success? Who knows?
Why do football teams run the flea flicker play? It does not work all of the time, but when it does, the results are spectacular. Why should conservatives all hope this works out? Because this wipes out almost everything the Obama regime has done. We get a do over.
You would think, even the RINOs who want to denigrate the eligibility issue could figure this one out.
Permalink Reply by Saska on Me, neither!! At one time I thought he was the knight in shining armor on a white horse, but I now KNOW different!!
Permalink Reply by Janet Dobbs on The Bildeberger List 2012
Bilderberg Meetings
Chantilly, Virginia, USA, 31 May-3 June 2012
Final List of Participants
Chairman
| FRA | Castries, Henri de | Chairman and CEO, AXA Group |
| DEU | Ackermann, Josef | Chairman of the Management Board and the Group Executive Committee, Deutsche Bank AG |
| GBR | Agius, Marcus | Chairman, Barclays plc |
| USA | Ajami, Fouad | Senior Fellow, The Hoover Institution, Stanford University |
| USA | Alexander, Keith B. | Commander, US Cyber Command; Director, National Security Agency |
| INT | Almunia, Joaquín | Vice-President – Commissioner for Competition, European Commission |
| USA | Altman, Roger C. | Chairman, Evercore Partners |
| PRT | Amado, Luís | Chairman, Banco Internacional do Funchal (BANIF) |
| NOR | Andresen, Johan H. | Owner and CEO, FERD |
| FIN | Apunen, Matti | Director, Finnish Business and Policy Forum EVA |
| TUR | Babacan, Ali | Deputy Prime Minister for Economic and Financial Affairs |
| PRT | Balsemão, Francisco Pinto | President and CEO, Impresa; Former Prime Minister |
| FRA | Baverez, Nicolas | Partner, Gibson, Dunn & Crutcher LLP |
| FRA | Béchu, Christophe | Senator, and Chairman, General Council of Maine-et-Loire |
| BEL | Belgium, H.R.H. Prince Philippe of | |
| TUR | Berberoğlu, Enis | Editor-in-Chief, Hürriyet Newspaper |
| ITA | Bernabè, Franco | Chairman and CEO, Telecom Italia |
| GBR | Boles, Nick | Member of Parliament |
| SWE | Bonnier, Jonas | President and CEO, Bonnier AB |
| NOR | Brandtzæg, Svein Richard | President and CEO, Norsk Hydro ASA |
| AUT | Bronner, Oscar | Publisher, Der Standard Medienwelt |
| SWE | Carlsson, Gunilla | Minister for International Development Cooperation |
| CAN | Carney, Mark J. | Governor, Bank of Canada |
| ESP | Cebrián, Juan Luis | CEO, PRISA; Chairman, El País |
| AUT | Cernko, Willibald | CEO, UniCredit Bank Austria AG |
| FRA | Chalendar, Pierre André de | Chairman and CEO, Saint-Gobain |
| DNK | Christiansen, Jeppe | CEO, Maj Invest |
| RUS | Chubais, Anatoly B. | CEO, OJSC RUSNANO |
| CAN | Clark, W. Edmund | Group President and CEO, TD Bank Group |
| GBR | Clarke, Kenneth | Member of Parliament, Lord Chancellor and Secretary of Justice |
| USA | Collins, Timothy C. | CEO and Senior Managing Director, Ripplewood Holdings, LLC |
| ITA | Conti, Fulvio | CEO and General Manager, Enel S.p.A. |
| USA | Daniels, Jr., Mitchell E. | Governor of Indiana |
| USA | DeMuth, Christopher | Distinguished Fellow, Hudson Institute |
| USA | Donilon, Thomas E. | National Security Advisor, The White House |
| GBR | Dudley, Robert | Group Chief Executive, BP plc |
| ITA | Elkann, John | Chairman, Fiat S.p.A. |
| DEU | Enders, Thomas | CEO, Airbus |
| USA | Evans, J. Michael | Vice Chairman, Global Head of Growth Markets, Goldman Sachs & Co. |
| AUT | Faymann, Werner | Federal Chancellor |
| DNK | Federspiel, Ulrik | Executive Vice President, Haldor Topsøe A/S |
| USA | Ferguson, Niall | Laurence A. Tisch Professor of History, Harvard University |
| GBR | Flint, Douglas J. | Group Chairman, HSBC Holdings plc |
| CHN | Fu, Ying | Vice Minister of Foreign Affairs |
| IRL | Gallagher, Paul | Former Attorney General; Senior Counsel |
| USA | Gephardt, Richard A. | President and CEO, Gephardt Group |
| GRC | Giannitsis, Anastasios | Former Minister of Interior; Professor of Development and International Economics, University of Athens |
| USA | Goolsbee, Austan D. | Professor of Economics, University of Chicago Booth School of Business |
| USA | Graham, Donald E. | Chairman and CEO, The Washington Post Company |
| ITA | Gruber, Lilli | Journalist – Anchorwoman, La 7 TV |
| INT | Gucht, Karel de | Commissioner for Trade, European Commission |
| NLD | Halberstadt, Victor | Professor of Economics, Leiden University; Former Honorary Secretary General of Bilderberg Meetings |
| USA | Harris, Britt | CIO, Teacher Retirement System of Texas |
| USA | Hoffman, Reid | Co-founder and Executive Chairman, LinkedIn |
| CHN | Huang, Yiping | Professor of Economics, China Center for Economic Research, Peking University |
| USA | Huntsman, Jr., Jon M. | Chairman, Huntsman Cancer Foundation |
| DEU | Ischinger, Wolfgang | Chairman, Munich Security Conference; Global Head Government Relations, Allianz SE |
| RUS | Ivanov, Igor S. | Associate member, Russian Academy of Science; President, Russian International Affairs Council |
| FRA | Izraelewicz, Erik | CEO, Le Monde |
| USA | Jacobs, Kenneth M. | Chairman and CEO, Lazard |
| USA | Johnson, James A. | Vice Chairman, Perseus, LLC |
| USA | Jordan, Jr., Vernon E. | Senior Managing Director, Lazard |
| USA | Karp, Alexander | CEO, Palantir Technologies |
| USA | Karsner, Alexander | Executive Chairman, Manifest Energy, Inc |
| FRA | Karvar, Anousheh | Inspector, Inter-ministerial Audit and Evaluation Office for Social, Health, Employment and Labor Policies |
| RUS | Kasparov, Garry | Chairman, United Civil Front (of Russia) |
| GBR | Kerr, John | Independent Member, House of Lords |
| USA | Kerry, John | Senator for Massachusetts |
| TUR | Keyman, E. Fuat | Director, Istanbul Policy Center and Professor of International Relations, Sabanci University |
| USA | Kissinger, Henry A. | Chairman, Kissinger Associates, Inc. |
| USA | Kleinfeld, Klaus | Chairman and CEO, Alcoa |
| TUR | Koç, Mustafa | Chairman, Koç Holding A.Ş. |
| DEU | Koch, Roland | CEO, Bilfinger Berger SE |
| INT | Kodmani, Bassma | Member of the Executive Bureau and Head of Foreign Affairs, Syrian National Council |
| USA | Kravis, Henry R. | Co-Chairman and Co-CEO, Kohlberg Kravis Roberts & Co. |
| USA | Kravis, Marie-Josée | Senior Fellow, Hudson Institute |
| INT | Kroes, Neelie | Vice President, European Commission; Commissioner for Digital Agenda |
| USA | Krupp, Fred | President, Environmental Defense Fund |
| INT | Lamy, Pascal | Director-General, World Trade Organization |
| ITA | Letta, Enrico | Deputy Leader, Democratic Party (PD) |
| ISR | Levite, Ariel E. | Nonresident Senior Associate, Carnegie Endowment for International Peace |
| USA | Li, Cheng | Director of Research and Senior Fellow, John L. Thornton China Center, Brookings Institution |
| USA | Lipsky, John | Distinguished Visiting Scholar, Johns Hopkins University |
| USA | Liveris, Andrew N. | President, Chairman and CEO, The Dow Chemical Company |
| DEU | Löscher, Peter | President and CEO, Siemens AG |
| USA | Lynn, William J. | Chairman and CEO, DRS Technologies, Inc. |
| GBR | Mandelson, Peter | Member, House of Lords; Chairman, Global Counsel |
| USA | Mathews, Jessica T. | President, Carnegie Endowment for International Peace |
| DEN | Mchangama, Jacob | Director of Legal Affairs, Center for Political Studies (CEPOS) |
| CAN | McKenna, Frank | Deputy Chair, TD Bank Group |
| USA | Mehlman, Kenneth B. | Partner, Kohlberg Kravis Roberts & Co. |
| GBR | Micklethwait, John | Editor-in-Chief, The Economist |
| FRA | Montbrial, Thierry de | President, French Institute for International Relations |
| PRT | Moreira da Silva, Jorge | First Vice-President, Partido Social Democrata (PSD) |
| USA | Mundie, Craig J. | Chief Research and Strategy Officer, Microsoft Corporation |
| DEU | Nass, Matthias | Chief International Correspondent, Die Zeit |
| NLD | Netherlands, H.M. the Queen of the | |
| ESP | Nin Génova, Juan María | Deputy Chairman and CEO, Caixabank |
| IRL | Noonan, Michael | Minister for Finance |
| USA | Noonan, Peggy | Author, Columnist, The Wall Street Journal |
| FIN | Ollila, Jorma | Chairman, Royal Dutch Shell, plc |
| USA | Orszag, Peter R. | Vice Chairman, Citigroup |
| GRC | Papalexopoulos, Dimitri | Managing Director, Titan Cement Co. |
| NLD | Pechtold, Alexander | Parliamentary Leader, Democrats ’66 (D66) |
| USA | Perle, Richard N. | Resident Fellow, American Enterprise Institute |
| NLD | Polman, Paul | CEO, Unilever PLC |
| CAN | Prichard, J. Robert S. | Chair, Torys LLP |
| ISR | Rabinovich, Itamar | Global Distinguished Professor, New York University |
| GBR | Rachman, Gideon | Chief Foreign Affairs Commentator, The Financial Times |
| USA | Rattner, Steven | Chairman, Willett Advisors LLC |
| CAN | Redford, Alison M. | Premier of Alberta |
| CAN | Reisman, Heather M. | CEO, Indigo Books & Music Inc. |
| DEU | Reitzle, Wolfgang | CEO & President, Linde AG |
| USA | Rogoff, Kenneth S. | Professor of Economics, Harvard University |
| USA | Rose, Charlie | Executive Editor and Anchor, Charlie Rose |
| USA | Ross, Dennis B. | Counselor, Washington Institute for Near East Policy |
| POL | Rostowski, Jacek | Minister of Finance |
| USA | Rubin, Robert E. | Co-Chair, Council on Foreign Relations; Former Secretary of the Treasury |
| NLD | Rutte, Mark | Prime Minister |
| ESP | Sáenz de Santamaría Antón, Soraya | Vice President and Minister for the Presidency |
| NLD | Scheffer, Paul | Professor of European Studies, Tilburg University |
| USA | Schmidt, Eric E. | Executive Chairman, Google Inc. |
| AUT | Scholten, Rudolf | Member of the Board of Executive Directors, Oesterreichische Kontrollbank AG |
| FRA | Senard, Jean-Dominique | CEO, Michelin Group |
| USA | Shambaugh, David | Director, China Policy Program, George Washington University |
| INT | Sheeran, Josette | Vice Chairman, World Economic Forum |
| FIN | Siilasmaa, Risto | Chairman of the Board of Directors, Nokia Corporation |
| USA | Speyer, Jerry I. | Chairman and Co-CEO, Tishman Speyer |
| CHE | Supino, Pietro | Chairman and Publisher, Tamedia AG |
| IRL | Sutherland, Peter D. | Chairman, Goldman Sachs International |
| USA | Thiel, Peter A. | President, Clarium Capital / Thiel Capital |
| TUR | Timuray, Serpil | CEO, Vodafone Turkey |
| DEU | Trittin, Jürgen | Parliamentary Leader, Alliance 90/The Greens |
| GRC | Tsoukalis, Loukas | President, Hellenic Foundation for European and Foreign Policy |
| FIN | Urpilainen, Jutta | Minister of Finance |
| CHE | Vasella, Daniel L. | Chairman, Novartis AG |
| INT | Vimont, Pierre | Executive Secretary General, European External Action Service |
| GBR | Voser, Peter | CEO, Royal Dutch Shell plc |
| SWE | Wallenberg, Jacob | Chairman, Investor AB |
| USA | Warsh, Kevin | Distinguished Visiting Fellow, The Hoover Institution, Stanford University |
| GBR | Wolf, Martin H. | Chief Economics Commentator, The Financial Times |
| USA | Wolfensohn, James D. | Chairman and CEO, Wolfensohn and Company |
| CAN | Wright, Nigel S. | Chief of Staff, Office of the Prime Minister |
| USA | Yergin, Daniel | Chairman, IHS Cambridge Energy Research Associates |
| INT | Zoellick, Robert B. | President, The World Bank Group |
| Rapporteurs | ||
| GBR | Bredow, Vendeline von | Business Correspondent, The Economist |
| GBR | Wooldridge, Adrian D. | Foreign Correspondent, The Economist |
http://www.infowars.com/bilderberg-2012-the-official-list-of-partic...
Permalink Reply by Elizabeth Shea on This is some of the general history of the Bilderberg group which took its name from the Bilderberg Hotel in Holland at its first meeting in 1954. The father of the current Dutch Queen, Queen Beatrix, was a German prince who created the group after WW2. One other thing of interest is that Prince Hans wore the S.S. iniform all during the years Germany was under Hitler's control. He did not marry into the Dutch royal family until after WW2, and the Dutch people were very unhappy about Queen Juliana marrying a German.
http://www.prisonplanet.com/bilderberg-releases-official-attendee-l...
Permalink Reply by Nancy on IMO--Mitch Daniels name should be taken off the "short list" for VP for this affililation--JMHO!
And haven't the Bushes participated in this in the past--might be making a pit stop at the conference after yesterday's WH event???
Permalink Reply by Royce Latham on Here is an abreviated list of the USA participants. Read through the list and you should recognize some of the names and some of the positions. If you think this is a social group and not a meeting of the world's most powerful people, it would be amazing. Ones discussed on this discussion include:
Mitch Daniels, Jon Huntsman, Jim Johnson, Henry Kissinger, Robert Rubin, Charlie Rose, Vernon Jordan
USA Alexander, Keith B. Commander, US Cyber Command; Director, National Security Agency
USA Daniels, Jr., Mitchell E. Governor of Indiana
USA Donilon, Thomas E. National Security Advisor, The White House
USA Evans, J. Michael Vice Chairman, Global Head of Growth Markets, Goldman Sachs & Co.
USA Gephardt, Richard A. President and CEO, Gephardt Group
USA Goolsbee, Austan D. Professor of Economics, University of Chicago Booth School of Business
USA Graham, Donald E. Chairman and CEO, The Washington Post Company
USA Harris, Britt CIO, Teacher Retirement System of Texas
USA Hoffman, Reid Co-founder and Executive Chairman, LinkedIn
USA Huntsman, Jr., Jon M. Chairman, Huntsman Cancer Foundation
USA Johnson, James A. Vice Chairman, Perseus, LLC
USA Jordan, Jr., Vernon E. Senior Managing Director, Lazard
USA Kerry, John Senator for Massachusetts
USA Kissinger, Henry A. Chairman, Kissinger Associates, Inc.
USA Liveris, Andrew N. President, Chairman and CEO, The Dow Chemical Company
USA Noonan, Peggy Author, Columnist, The Wall Street Journal
USA Orszag, Peter R. Vice Chairman, Citigroup
USA Perle, Richard N. Resident Fellow, American Enterprise Institute
USA Rose, Charlie Executive Editor and Anchor, Charlie Rose
USA Rubin, Robert E. Co-Chair, Council on Foreign Relations; Former Secretary of the Treasur
USA Schmidt, Eric E. Executive Chairman, Google Inc.
Brzezinski, 2nd from the right, with Bilderberger buddies
Permalink Reply by Elizabeth Shea on
Sneering MSNBC Anchor: "I'm way too lazy" to research Bilderberg."
Is it any wonder global elite confab avoids media scrutiny?
by Steve Watson
O’Donnell was asked about Bilderberg by We Are Change reporter Luke Rudkowski, who attempted to break through what can only be described as a wall of ignorance and cognitive dissonance to enlighten The Last Word host.
The as always mild mannered and polite Rudkowski attempted to explain to O’Donnell that Bilderberg is an annual meeting of most influential people on the planet.
“No its not” O’Donnell shot back, before adding “I have no idea what it is – so its not.”
Read more:
http://www.prisonplanet.com/sneering-msnbc-anchor-im-way-too-lazy-t...
Permalink Reply by Royce Latham on Elizabeth
He is probably more scared than he is lazy. For the others, if it is not on the TV it is not real. We are on the edge of blowing the cabal out of the water, figuratively. 3% is all it takes.
Permalink Reply by Elizabeth Shea on Years ago. I watched O’Donnell on MSNBC shouting "Liar! Liar! Liar!" nonstop for several minutes at (I believe it was) Scott Swett or Tim Ziegler (or it may have been Jim O'Neill, a former Navy Seal and now a writer for Canada Free Press) regarding the lies John Kerry told about himself when he (Kerry) was in Viet Nam on a Navy Swift Boat. After watching O'Donnell and his screaming fit, I assumed he would be fired or locked up in a psychiatric hospital. But he is still there whenever MSNBC needs a tantrum scene conducted on Cable TV.
By the way, for those who don't know, Swett and Ziegler wrote the book that exposed Kerry's lies, and O'Neill wrote the introduction to the book.
Permalink Reply by Elizabeth Shea on You sound very confident that we are on the edge of blowing the cabal out of the water -- do you know something the rest of us don't yet know?
I hope you do!
Permalink Reply by Royce Latham on Elizabeth
Everyone is asking, "Why won't this issue die?"
It is not because we are nuts. In fact everyone of the cabal knows very well that Obama is a failure and a fraud. This pot-smoking, cocaine sniffing, man loving, Marxist, Muslim has no business in the people's house, morally or legally. He was perpetrated on America to destroy the greatest nation on earth. When I think of the millions of educated cowards, and trained monkeys who are paid to prop up the fraud Obama. When I think of his fat wife plotting with the Iranian born Valerie Jarret to take us down, it makes what Hilliary did to Nixon seem like child's play. Obama is damaged goods, but it is we who must remove him from office, before the election. We have the information. We know the enablers. We sit by while the lying New York Times publishes crap and can't even remove the crime syndicate Holder from office.
Good God! We have him, Michelle, his grandmother, most everyone in Kenya admitting that he was born there. And on the other hand there is NO newspaper announcement from 1961 to go along with his fraud birth certificate, his selective service application filed 28 years late, and his fraudulent social security number.
It doesn't take a Kerry jury to see what is going on here.
Permalink Reply by Elizabeth Shea on You are right, of course, but what person in the media -- and/or what judge will take the action to break the story?
Nothing will change -- until one person acts.
Permalink Reply by Donna on Nothing will be done UNTIL WE MAKE IT HAPPEN!!!! I know what the news was in 1961, don't you all think IF I KNOW IT-Mccain has to know it! Hillary HAs to know it-she's the one that was interviewed once when Ann Dunham Was! THEY ALL ARE IN ON IT!!!!! Lets get Organised and go to DC!!!!
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