The left likes to call it the “birther” issue. The term birther is used as a derisive term by the left, much as truther is. Of course the difference is truthers beliefs are based on a paranoid ideology, where as the birther issue is based on facts.
I prefer to call it the eligibility issue, not the birther issue. Whether you agree or not, the people who are pushing the eligibility issue are on our side. It is certainly counter-productive to deride them like liberals do.
Recently a whole stream of Republicans have come out, at the prompting of the drive by media, to reassure us that Obama is a citizen and oh, yes, he is a Christian too.
Last Sunday, at the prodding of David Gregory on Meet the Press, or as Rush likes to call it, Meet the depressed, Boehner said, the State of Hawaii had said he was born there, that was good enough for him.
Karl Rove, not a friend of the Tea Party, pushed the RINO line that Obama is a citizen and Sarah Palin, at a meeting in Long Island, a few days ago, also denounced the eligibility issue. Palin ended her remarks on the subject by saying, “let’s stick with what really matters.”
This issue does matter.
There are three variations on the eligibility issue. Two are based on undisputed facts. The third is in dispute.
The most commonly reported of the eligibility challenges is the claim that Obama was actually born in Kenya, not Hawaii. I believe, based on the available evidence, that it is more likely than not, Obama was actually born in Hawaii. Obama has spent a lot of time and (other people’s) money, keeping his original birth certificate out of sight.
Jack Cashill is one of my favorite writers and he has a theory which I think makes sense, that Obama was in fact born in Hawaii, but there is something else on his birth certificate that would destroy the myth of Barack Obama. (See his website, Cashill.com). In the law, there is a presumption that if a party has exclusive access to a piece of evidence and will not release it, the evidence must be adverse to their position.
The second eligibility issue is the claim that because Barack Obama’s father was a Kenyan, a British subject at the time of Obama’s birth, he is not a natural born citizen.
The third is the argument that because Barack Obama was adopted as a child by an Indonesian and moved to Indonesia, he is not an American citizen. Under the law at that time, if an American child was adopted by a citizen of another country and moved to that country, he lost his citizenship. He could regain his citizenship by applying at an American Embassy when he was 18, but would then be treated as a naturalized citizen and thus ineligible to be President.
What is stunning about all of this is the mainstream Republican reaction to the eligibility issues.
The RINOs turn their noses up at the people who want the answers, which, incidentally is 60% of Republican voters. They turn their noses up at the Tea Party movement. Yet, they do not take a moment to consider why this is important.
If Barack Obama is proved to be ineligible to be President, everything he has done is wiped out. Obamacare is gone. The START treaty is gone. The liberal lunatics Obama has appointed to the Federal Judiciary, including the two he has put on the Supreme Court are gone.
Much of the damage Obama has done to this country can be undone. Unfortunately, the Country Club Republicans remain clueless. In their minds, the Democrats are simply the lower class versions of themselves. They do not understand that if the party of treason has its way, America will be forever changed and ultimately destroyed.
The Courts have so far brushed aside all of the eligibility claims. None have been addressed on the merits under the claim that Americans lack standing to challenge the issue. Recently, the Supreme Court has given some indication it may consider one of the issues. We can only hope.
What are the chances of success? Who knows?
Why do football teams run the flea flicker play? It does not work all of the time, but when it does, the results are spectacular. Why should conservatives all hope this works out? Because this wipes out almost everything the Obama regime has done. We get a do over.
You would think, even the RINOs who want to denigrate the eligibility issue could figure this one out.
You're so right!
Now to my theme, why stay with these RINOs? Why not take the rank and file with us and steamroll those collaborative, laissez-faire, fearful, apologetic, ineffective, status quo-loving hanging chads called The Republican Establishment? Once the split's official, where's Rush Limbaugh going to go? With the RINOs? I can't believe that.
We can split off and win.
How so, Jeff? I'm voting for Newt and Orly in the CA Primary and probably writing Newt and Orly in in the general, is that good enough for you? Just curious, not being nasty in any way!! God Help Us!!
That's great! I voted for Newt in Arizona because Bachmann had already quit the race (or was going to -- can't remember).
The "how so" isn't simple and probably shouldn't be immediately until a few other things are in place, so will demure for the moment on that one. However, I do believe that there are many more people like us than there are people like the RINOs and that essentially, if we split off, they are either forced to go with us or go with the Democrats. I believe that the majority would choose us. The great benefit I see in doing so, is that we can instantly rid ourselves of RINO leadership and play by rules which we make. I grew up in New England and moving west twenty years ago was a revelation. In expansion and new construction, communities didn't have to work around three centuries of grandfathered this and that -- you could make a very sensible community because it was all new land, like a clean slate. Not only that, but minus the unions and graft, things got done ahead of time and under-budget! A new party would give us that, a new form more able to be respond to the people in modern times. How effective do you think the Republican Party has been in delivering the policies which you would like to see and how close is their general conduct and vision relative to your own? They're way off from mine, given present circumstances, circumstances which have been building ever since Clinton's election.
UP ON SOAPBOX
Whenever any of the GOP or CA GOP call I give them HELL and tell them they are not going to get one red cent from me and my family again!! Same goes for my Congressman, a good man for the most part, Tom McClintock. He sent me a letter trying to tell me that oPuke was a NBC, with all of the CRS dicta, etc. When I called him on it he sent me another letter saying the same SH!T!!! I will only give my money directly to the candidates and, NO, RobMe is NOT going to get any money from me either!! Same goes for the Harry Reid-supporting NRA led by Wayne LaPierre!! Not ONE MORE DIME until they see the light and get rid of his A$$, along with most of the board members who let that happen and keep him in charge!! I KNOW there lots of us out there that feels like we do. I'm tired of "holding my nose"!! Where in the HELL did that Commie plant Reince Preibus come from anyway?? Why are the GOP changing their own rules so that RobMe can be the nom? Why have THEY been telling us that he's got the delegates locked up when he doesn't??!! Why are we lettiing them LIE to us??!! I'm HOPING & PRAYING for a Contested or Brokered Convention, that would be the BEST THING that could happen to this Country!! If Newt makes it to the podium, he'd get the nom in a heartbeat!! And he'd beat oPuke in a LANDSLIDE!! Figure it out!! I KNOW that Newt is a Birther (remember his talk about oPuke's "colonialism"?), that is why he's not out of the running, he's just out of money!! Also, I really don't think RobMe is a NBC, and neither is Santy-Pants!! Michelle Bachmann kept quiet because it now comes out that she's a Dual Citizen (Switzerland)!! WTH??!!
What's going on with Boo-Hoo Boehner, as well??!!
DOWN OFF SOAPBOX
The only Hell they would realize is : WHEN AND IF WE MARCH ON DC!!!
Donna, I AGREE big-time!!
What I am about to tell you was just relayed to me by a friend. Here is the message and let it go viral. We can not let them get away with this! Here was the message from my friend:
"I just spoke with a friend of mine who worked with the Arpaio posse. This friend has "inside info." that everyone needs to be aware of, so this is why I am passing it on to y'all. I am sure that most of y'all are aware of an "article" entitled "Source in Hawaii warns of October Birth surprise" on the ORYR site. (see below) The "inside info" part of this story is "Donald Trump is going for a repeat", so be aware and please tell others. When I say that "Trump is going for a repeat", I mean .... do y'all remember how Trump began sounding the horn about Obama's BC and as soon as Obama released his "fake" long-form BC on-line, Trump went silent? Now all of a sudden, Trump is at it again. Please be aware that folks within the posse are suspicious that Trump is raising the "Obama BC issue" again in order to set the stage for Obama to release an "original fake BC". So, BEWARE of Trump's motives. Also, Zullo (of the posse) allowed the article (below) to be written in order to send a message to Obama. The message is "we (the posse) are on to you."
So this is a setup for an October surprise. Well, we have to diffuse this by getting the word out to everyone of their plan just as Zullo sent a message to Obama that Arpaio's on to his plan.
Thank you for the update, Janet. I did read something about it earlier today, and I will send it to all I know.
Janet I am more and more convinced that they ( Rinos ) want to go against Obama on his record and the bc issue frustrates that. I don't trust Trump but I can't pin down his purpose but as you say his recent action to resurrect the bc issue could be to assist Obozzo; meanwhile Romney, Gingrich and McCain oppose his action. It tells the kind of integrity that must be removed. Seems there are two World Order camps.
There are going to be a lot of rumors and all sorts of disinformation going around in the next six months. Whatever the truth, one thing is for sure: I do not trust Donald Trump.
Me, neither!! At one time I thought he was the knight in shining armor on a white horse, but I now KNOW different!!
The Bildeberger List 2012
Chantilly, Virginia, USA, 31 May-3 June 2012
Final List of Participants
|FRA||Castries, Henri de||Chairman and CEO, AXA Group|
|DEU||Ackermann, Josef||Chairman of the Management Board and the Group Executive Committee, Deutsche Bank AG|
|GBR||Agius, Marcus||Chairman, Barclays plc|
|USA||Ajami, Fouad||Senior Fellow, The Hoover Institution, Stanford University|
|USA||Alexander, Keith B.||Commander, US Cyber Command; Director, National Security Agency|
|INT||Almunia, Joaquín||Vice-President – Commissioner for Competition, European Commission|
|USA||Altman, Roger C.||Chairman, Evercore Partners|
|PRT||Amado, Luís||Chairman, Banco Internacional do Funchal (BANIF)|
|NOR||Andresen, Johan H.||Owner and CEO, FERD|
|FIN||Apunen, Matti||Director, Finnish Business and Policy Forum EVA|
|TUR||Babacan, Ali||Deputy Prime Minister for Economic and Financial Affairs|
|PRT||Balsemão, Francisco Pinto||President and CEO, Impresa; Former Prime Minister|
|FRA||Baverez, Nicolas||Partner, Gibson, Dunn & Crutcher LLP|
|FRA||Béchu, Christophe||Senator, and Chairman, General Council of Maine-et-Loire|
|BEL||Belgium, H.R.H. Prince Philippe of|
|TUR||Berberoğlu, Enis||Editor-in-Chief, Hürriyet Newspaper|
|ITA||Bernabè, Franco||Chairman and CEO, Telecom Italia|
|GBR||Boles, Nick||Member of Parliament|
|SWE||Bonnier, Jonas||President and CEO, Bonnier AB|
|NOR||Brandtzæg, Svein Richard||President and CEO, Norsk Hydro ASA|
|AUT||Bronner, Oscar||Publisher, Der Standard Medienwelt|
|SWE||Carlsson, Gunilla||Minister for International Development Cooperation|
|CAN||Carney, Mark J.||Governor, Bank of Canada|
|ESP||Cebrián, Juan Luis||CEO, PRISA; Chairman, El País|
|AUT||Cernko, Willibald||CEO, UniCredit Bank Austria AG|
|FRA||Chalendar, Pierre André de||Chairman and CEO, Saint-Gobain|
|DNK||Christiansen, Jeppe||CEO, Maj Invest|
|RUS||Chubais, Anatoly B.||CEO, OJSC RUSNANO|
|CAN||Clark, W. Edmund||Group President and CEO, TD Bank Group|
|GBR||Clarke, Kenneth||Member of Parliament, Lord Chancellor and Secretary of Justice|
|USA||Collins, Timothy C.||CEO and Senior Managing Director, Ripplewood Holdings, LLC|
|ITA||Conti, Fulvio||CEO and General Manager, Enel S.p.A.|
|USA||Daniels, Jr., Mitchell E.||Governor of Indiana|
|USA||DeMuth, Christopher||Distinguished Fellow, Hudson Institute|
|USA||Donilon, Thomas E.||National Security Advisor, The White House|
|GBR||Dudley, Robert||Group Chief Executive, BP plc|
|ITA||Elkann, John||Chairman, Fiat S.p.A.|
|DEU||Enders, Thomas||CEO, Airbus|
|USA||Evans, J. Michael||Vice Chairman, Global Head of Growth Markets, Goldman Sachs & Co.|
|AUT||Faymann, Werner||Federal Chancellor|
|DNK||Federspiel, Ulrik||Executive Vice President, Haldor Topsøe A/S|
|USA||Ferguson, Niall||Laurence A. Tisch Professor of History, Harvard University|
|GBR||Flint, Douglas J.||Group Chairman, HSBC Holdings plc|
|CHN||Fu, Ying||Vice Minister of Foreign Affairs|
|IRL||Gallagher, Paul||Former Attorney General; Senior Counsel|
|USA||Gephardt, Richard A.||President and CEO, Gephardt Group|
|GRC||Giannitsis, Anastasios||Former Minister of Interior; Professor of Development and International Economics, University of Athens|
|USA||Goolsbee, Austan D.||Professor of Economics, University of Chicago Booth School of Business|
|USA||Graham, Donald E.||Chairman and CEO, The Washington Post Company|
|ITA||Gruber, Lilli||Journalist – Anchorwoman, La 7 TV|
|INT||Gucht, Karel de||Commissioner for Trade, European Commission|
|NLD||Halberstadt, Victor||Professor of Economics, Leiden University; Former Honorary Secretary General of Bilderberg Meetings|
|USA||Harris, Britt||CIO, Teacher Retirement System of Texas|
|USA||Hoffman, Reid||Co-founder and Executive Chairman, LinkedIn|
|CHN||Huang, Yiping||Professor of Economics, China Center for Economic Research, Peking University|
|USA||Huntsman, Jr., Jon M.||Chairman, Huntsman Cancer Foundation|
|DEU||Ischinger, Wolfgang||Chairman, Munich Security Conference; Global Head Government Relations, Allianz SE|
|RUS||Ivanov, Igor S.||Associate member, Russian Academy of Science; President, Russian International Affairs Council|
|FRA||Izraelewicz, Erik||CEO, Le Monde|
|USA||Jacobs, Kenneth M.||Chairman and CEO, Lazard|
|USA||Johnson, James A.||Vice Chairman, Perseus, LLC|
|USA||Jordan, Jr., Vernon E.||Senior Managing Director, Lazard|
|USA||Karp, Alexander||CEO, Palantir Technologies|
|USA||Karsner, Alexander||Executive Chairman, Manifest Energy, Inc|
|FRA||Karvar, Anousheh||Inspector, Inter-ministerial Audit and Evaluation Office for Social, Health, Employment and Labor Policies|
|RUS||Kasparov, Garry||Chairman, United Civil Front (of Russia)|
|GBR||Kerr, John||Independent Member, House of Lords|
|USA||Kerry, John||Senator for Massachusetts|
|TUR||Keyman, E. Fuat||Director, Istanbul Policy Center and Professor of International Relations, Sabanci University|
|USA||Kissinger, Henry A.||Chairman, Kissinger Associates, Inc.|
|USA||Kleinfeld, Klaus||Chairman and CEO, Alcoa|
|TUR||Koç, Mustafa||Chairman, Koç Holding A.Ş.|
|DEU||Koch, Roland||CEO, Bilfinger Berger SE|
|INT||Kodmani, Bassma||Member of the Executive Bureau and Head of Foreign Affairs, Syrian National Council|
|USA||Kravis, Henry R.||Co-Chairman and Co-CEO, Kohlberg Kravis Roberts & Co.|
|USA||Kravis, Marie-Josée||Senior Fellow, Hudson Institute|
|INT||Kroes, Neelie||Vice President, European Commission; Commissioner for Digital Agenda|
|USA||Krupp, Fred||President, Environmental Defense Fund|
|INT||Lamy, Pascal||Director-General, World Trade Organization|
|ITA||Letta, Enrico||Deputy Leader, Democratic Party (PD)|
|ISR||Levite, Ariel E.||Nonresident Senior Associate, Carnegie Endowment for International Peace|
|USA||Li, Cheng||Director of Research and Senior Fellow, John L. Thornton China Center, Brookings Institution|
|USA||Lipsky, John||Distinguished Visiting Scholar, Johns Hopkins University|
|USA||Liveris, Andrew N.||President, Chairman and CEO, The Dow Chemical Company|
|DEU||Löscher, Peter||President and CEO, Siemens AG|
|USA||Lynn, William J.||Chairman and CEO, DRS Technologies, Inc.|
|GBR||Mandelson, Peter||Member, House of Lords; Chairman, Global Counsel|
|USA||Mathews, Jessica T.||President, Carnegie Endowment for International Peace|
|DEN||Mchangama, Jacob||Director of Legal Affairs, Center for Political Studies (CEPOS)|
|CAN||McKenna, Frank||Deputy Chair, TD Bank Group|
|USA||Mehlman, Kenneth B.||Partner, Kohlberg Kravis Roberts & Co.|
|GBR||Micklethwait, John||Editor-in-Chief, The Economist|
|FRA||Montbrial, Thierry de||President, French Institute for International Relations|
|PRT||Moreira da Silva, Jorge||First Vice-President, Partido Social Democrata (PSD)|
|USA||Mundie, Craig J.||Chief Research and Strategy Officer, Microsoft Corporation|
|DEU||Nass, Matthias||Chief International Correspondent, Die Zeit|
|NLD||Netherlands, H.M. the Queen of the|
|ESP||Nin Génova, Juan María||Deputy Chairman and CEO, Caixabank|
|IRL||Noonan, Michael||Minister for Finance|
|USA||Noonan, Peggy||Author, Columnist, The Wall Street Journal|
|FIN||Ollila, Jorma||Chairman, Royal Dutch Shell, plc|
|USA||Orszag, Peter R.||Vice Chairman, Citigroup|
|GRC||Papalexopoulos, Dimitri||Managing Director, Titan Cement Co.|
|NLD||Pechtold, Alexander||Parliamentary Leader, Democrats ’66 (D66)|
|USA||Perle, Richard N.||Resident Fellow, American Enterprise Institute|
|NLD||Polman, Paul||CEO, Unilever PLC|
|CAN||Prichard, J. Robert S.||Chair, Torys LLP|
|ISR||Rabinovich, Itamar||Global Distinguished Professor, New York University|
|GBR||Rachman, Gideon||Chief Foreign Affairs Commentator, The Financial Times|
|USA||Rattner, Steven||Chairman, Willett Advisors LLC|
|CAN||Redford, Alison M.||Premier of Alberta|
|CAN||Reisman, Heather M.||CEO, Indigo Books & Music Inc.|
|DEU||Reitzle, Wolfgang||CEO & President, Linde AG|
|USA||Rogoff, Kenneth S.||Professor of Economics, Harvard University|
|USA||Rose, Charlie||Executive Editor and Anchor, Charlie Rose|
|USA||Ross, Dennis B.||Counselor, Washington Institute for Near East Policy|
|POL||Rostowski, Jacek||Minister of Finance|
|USA||Rubin, Robert E.||Co-Chair, Council on Foreign Relations; Former Secretary of the Treasury|
|NLD||Rutte, Mark||Prime Minister|
|ESP||Sáenz de Santamaría Antón, Soraya||Vice President and Minister for the Presidency|
|NLD||Scheffer, Paul||Professor of European Studies, Tilburg University|
|USA||Schmidt, Eric E.||Executive Chairman, Google Inc.|
|AUT||Scholten, Rudolf||Member of the Board of Executive Directors, Oesterreichische Kontrollbank AG|
|FRA||Senard, Jean-Dominique||CEO, Michelin Group|
|USA||Shambaugh, David||Director, China Policy Program, George Washington University|
|INT||Sheeran, Josette||Vice Chairman, World Economic Forum|
|FIN||Siilasmaa, Risto||Chairman of the Board of Directors, Nokia Corporation|
|USA||Speyer, Jerry I.||Chairman and Co-CEO, Tishman Speyer|
|CHE||Supino, Pietro||Chairman and Publisher, Tamedia AG|
|IRL||Sutherland, Peter D.||Chairman, Goldman Sachs International|
|USA||Thiel, Peter A.||President, Clarium Capital / Thiel Capital|
|TUR||Timuray, Serpil||CEO, Vodafone Turkey|
|DEU||Trittin, Jürgen||Parliamentary Leader, Alliance 90/The Greens|
|GRC||Tsoukalis, Loukas||President, Hellenic Foundation for European and Foreign Policy|
|FIN||Urpilainen, Jutta||Minister of Finance|
|CHE||Vasella, Daniel L.||Chairman, Novartis AG|
|INT||Vimont, Pierre||Executive Secretary General, European External Action Service|
|GBR||Voser, Peter||CEO, Royal Dutch Shell plc|
|SWE||Wallenberg, Jacob||Chairman, Investor AB|
|USA||Warsh, Kevin||Distinguished Visiting Fellow, The Hoover Institution, Stanford University|
|GBR||Wolf, Martin H.||Chief Economics Commentator, The Financial Times|
|USA||Wolfensohn, James D.||Chairman and CEO, Wolfensohn and Company|
|CAN||Wright, Nigel S.||Chief of Staff, Office of the Prime Minister|
|USA||Yergin, Daniel||Chairman, IHS Cambridge Energy Research Associates|
|INT||Zoellick, Robert B.||President, The World Bank Group|
|GBR||Bredow, Vendeline von||Business Correspondent, The Economist|
|GBR||Wooldridge, Adrian D.||Foreign Correspondent, The Economist