Let's Walk the Walk, Not Just Talk the Talk!
I went over on HuffingtonPost to to see the reaction to last night's Tea Party Convention.
Many of our opponents are saying "It is all noise, no substance".
I decided to join their conversations for the first time ever, and after some explanation, some of the people dogging the movement realized that they are actually Tea Partiers too!
The problem is they are looping us in with Republicans. This is mostly due to FoxNews giving us the only positive coverage and Palin being the key note speaker.
We are conservative but I would hardly call this a Republican movement.
After I let them know that most of us don't like any of the current Republicans or Democrats in control, it seemed to hit a chord.
I believe the people we choose to be our next leaders should have the following as the pillars of their platform for 2010.
What does everyone else think?
And as you reply, remember that CNN/MSNBC are already saying we are fractured. Let's have some civil conversation.
If you do disagree, it is quite possible I am missing something and I am open to suggestions.
I look forward to a healthy discussion!
Chad
Many of our opponents are saying "It is all noise, no substance".
I decided to join their conversations for the first time ever, and after some explanation, some of the people dogging the movement realized that they are actually Tea Partiers too!
The problem is they are looping us in with Republicans. This is mostly due to FoxNews giving us the only positive coverage and Palin being the key note speaker.
We are conservative but I would hardly call this a Republican movement.
After I let them know that most of us don't like any of the current Republicans or Democrats in control, it seemed to hit a chord.
I believe the people we choose to be our next leaders should have the following as the pillars of their platform for 2010.
- Reign in the debt
- Push Fair Tax (HR 25, S 296) fairtax.org
- Audit the Federal Reserve
- Make congressional salaries equivalent to the average of their constituents with a cap of the current salaray
What does everyone else think?
And as you reply, remember that CNN/MSNBC are already saying we are fractured. Let's have some civil conversation.
If you do disagree, it is quite possible I am missing something and I am open to suggestions.
I look forward to a healthy discussion!
Chad
Replies to This Discussion
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Permalink Reply by stephen nimmich on -
Caution:Two women videotaped talking in the restroom at the Tea Party Convention. http://www.mayhillfowler.com/politics/video-eavesdropping/
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Permalink Reply by Frances JoAnn Lewis on -
Taping a conversation in the ladies room for goodness sake. I don't care which side you are on this is probably illegal and definitely inappropriate. What is the point? Can we be sure these are tiles at the Opryland hotel.
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Permalink Reply by Chad Hensley on -
You don't really know what the fair tax is if you think it is a flat tax.
It was a broad brush, but it isn't a leap to say we have lost confidence in our government. Try to find who actually represent us in the way we want them to is the challenge.
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Permalink Reply by Chad Hensley on
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I agree with everything you said. Fair tax was not created by a congressman though. Check it out and let me know what you think.
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Permalink Reply by Miles M on -
I am not sure what you are trying to say, but it sounds like a 'we are all in this together' type of thing.
I have no problem helping people, but there is a real danger of finding everyone, or a majority of people in the wagon over time, and no one left to pull it. The poorest people in the US are better off than the average or best elsewhere. Is there any responsibility on their part for that. We fought and died to create our system, and it has done well for us. We have lost a great deal of our desire and intensity to succeed within our society. Close to half of our citizens no longer pay taxes or support our society. They ride in the wagon year after year.
Our system depends upon people of integrity, people with a desire to succeed, a desire to contribute to society.
If we continue to fill the wagon with ourselves, there will be no beacon of freedon, no one to help, no one to defend the helpless around the world. Maybe you think we do not do enough, compare what we do to everyone else around the world. How many American graves are on foreign soil, lives lost to protect or defend those who could not defend themselves.
If we redistribute our wealth to all here and maybe to the world, will those that have received our wealth be set up for life, or will they lay down and look for the next benefactor.
Life is not fair, to a large degree one's fate is earned.
Our current government thinks they can distribute fate fairly, that is bunk. We need a society with opportunity. Not the same opportunity for all, just an opportunity. Each can take the opportunity presented to them and apply their skills and passion to reach where they may. That is how our system was envisioned and there is none better.
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Permalink Reply by Miles M on
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I suggest you look around to see who succeeds here. First generation immigrants are an interesting example. Others that don't often generation after generation.
Many small business owners worked 24/7 to get going, most great people. Most give others jobs in the process.
I hope you are giving most of your time and money to others. They deserve it and it really is the fair thing to do.
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Permalink Reply by Frances JoAnn Lewis on
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The Fairfax sounds good and dumping the IRS sounds great but it is going to be difficult because of the many lawyers who make a living trying to keep the tax code straight for businesses. I agree with the book CPAs will still have plenty to do.
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Permalink Reply by Chad Hensley on
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Here are the points I disagree with.
"While I believe any religious reference or reference to God should be absent from any Federal facility and from being printed on our currency..."
As President for 100 days, you want to tackle this? Seriously? Much bigger fish to fry.
HEALTH CARE
Health Care is a States issue. We have 50 of them. Each State becomes responsible for the health care of it's residents. 99% of all health care is provided to a patient in the State where the patient resides. What gets paid for health care within a State, stays in that State. States will have reciprocal arrangements with all other States to cover Citizens traveling out of their home State. Each State has the incentive to reduce their healthcare costs, whichever health care delivery model they choose. The Federal government is to act solely to set minimum standards and to be a safety net for healthcare for the States that can't figure it out on their own."
Your health care "solution" solves nothing. It may be a state issue but that doesn't make people healthier. Everyone wants to solve the "cost" of health care, without actually taking on the root of the problem.
http://lifeoftheteaparty.com/2010/02/06/a-real-health-care-solution...
"EDUCATION
12-month curriculum and reward good teachers with much higher pay. EVERY qualified student will have access to a 4 year college degree regardless of financial need. But for the most part education will be a State issue, not Federal."
Where would these much high salaries come from? Oh yeah, you would increase taxes.
"MILITARY
smaller but effective, and no longer the world’s policeman. WE go where invited, or WE go in groups with allied countries, or WE don’t go. "
Why would you want a smaller military? We have to maintain our bases across the world just from a strategic point of view. If you don't believe that, then you live in a candy coated world. If anything we should continue to take whoever volunteers and protect the borders better than we have.
ENERGY
By 2013 T. Boone Pickens and his Pickens Plan will be in it’s fourth year. WE will help things along by taxing imported oil to the $100 per barrel level to maintain an economic incentive for alternative energies to be developed. This oil tax will be spent on supporting alternative energy R&D."
Why would you want to cripple the American economy again with high oil prices? Are you also in favor of taxing people who don't exercise or taxing all "unhealthy foods" to the teeth like you want to do to energy?
I think you may need to read the fine print on the Pickens plan. He is hoping wind energy will replace natural gas as an energy source, and vehicles will then run off natural gas. But it might take 20 years just to get a small percentage of vehicles converted to using natural gas, while the rest will still be using oil.
I am more in favor of a decentralized energy independence, but I realize that centralized plants are needed. While I am not totally against his plan, I think it could be a small piece of the puzzle, not the whole solution.
"MARITAL RIGHTS
Every CITIZEN has the right to choose 1 human to legally marry. Any and every married couple will have nothing more and nothing less than equal protection in all matters concerning civil law in all 50 States. For any CITIZEN who objects to this based on his/her own moral or religious beliefs then do note that you are fully within your rights to try to convince others to live within your moral or religious beliefs."
Don't agree with this on a social level, but as with all social matters, leave it up to the state. With Fair Tax, this becomes a non-issue anyways.
"WE have to stop trying to legislate morality – it doesn’t work and is wasteful of $billions. Gambling, prostitution, alcohol, marijuana, and cigarettes will all be legal – legalize, regulate and tax, with help available to those with problems with these products or services."
Prostitution? Dude what's wrong with you? I love the last part. You want to legalize but also want to provide them "help" (TAX DOLLARS) if they have a problem with it. I don't want the Fair Tax revenue going to this.
"WE should also take this opportunity to invite in a few new States – Bahamas, Haiti, Dominican Republic, Puerto Rico, and yes even Cuba – extend an invitation to the people of Cuba that WE would welcome them as a State after they overthrow their current government. OR create 1 new State called The Caribbean Basin."
In your 100 days you want to do this? Why?
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Permalink Reply by Chad Hensley on
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You probably should actually read about Fair Tax before saying it "is tried in Europe". That's a VAT, and is completely different.
Since we have obviously had negative consequences by not auditing the FED, then yes, I think it needs to be done.
The salary of a Congress Rep is $174,000 in 2010. http://usgovinfo.about.com/od/uscongress/a/congresspay.htm
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Permalink Reply by Frances JoAnn Lewis on
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I have read the fair tax book. You mentioned the underground economy. The fair tax book addressed this issue. Since it taxes what you spend, Without you are talking about an illegal drug or something my understanding is that the tax is added a little here and there until at purchase the 23% will be built in. So without the seller is the originator there will be some tax built in. Did I read that wrong or am I missing the point?
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Permalink Reply by Chad Hensley on
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Nic, we can have a discussion about this once you understand the fundamental concepts and the differences between VAT and Fair Tax.
Under Fair Tax there would be no corporate taxes at all, small business or not. It would only be consumption taxes by the individual.
Think about this quote.
"Corporations don't pay taxes -- people do." - Ronald Regan
"Economy wise it does not matter - its an issue for uneducated masses to feel bad about themselves earning less and communist types who think everybody should be paid the same and wives should be shared."
I suggest you not turn this into a pissing contest, because you will lose.
The reason I suggest it is not to improve the economy. It is so congressmen will work harder for their particular area to improve the average income for their constituents, thus raising their salary. It would also infuse new blood as some may quit and be replaced by those who would do it for the right reasons, public service, instead of the fat paycheck and perks. In any event, they should definitely not be raising their salaries when the rest of the country is hurting.
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Permalink Reply by Charles Finley on
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We need Tea Party groups in every state to register the Tea Party as an actual party. There are tons of political parties, but not many with a chapter in each state of the union. If we can accomplish that, then the Tea Party will have to be recognized as it's own, and powerful, party.
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