I've had great success lately by agreeing with Liberals.
How is this possible?
In three recent ideologically mixed social events lately, I've won hands down. The liberals have been left speechless!
How? Most recently at a pool party on the Fourth of July, for example.
Check this out.
I get the floor immediately by loudly announcing:
"While I disagree with President Obama on many things, I must agree with Obama on healthcare, and the approach should certainly be expanded!"
(Liberals look forward to talking points, Conservatives are speechless and aghast)
Continue on, quickly...Keep the floor....
"Obama said we could keep our Healthcare insurance providers and so on.
Further, those with per-existing conditions will as well be covered. And the about 30 million presently uninsured will benefit as well, covered by the increased efficiency of scale.
I think it's great, particularly the per-existing condition part! This should be extended to all insurance!
For example, I don't want to pay for car insurance, really. I want to buy collision insurance, the day after I wreck it! Fire insurance does nothing for me. The day after is when I want to buy it! Just for that day after do I want to buy it, mind you....
And, if I cannot afford it then, I want the same as the 30 million uninsured under Obamacare, I want it for free, like ObamaCare!
Cost is not my problem! Body shops should be like Hospitals,giving free service to indigents! Same for fires: contractors should rebuild my house for free! I didn't plan to have a fire, after all!
The only problem with ObamaCare is it doesn't go nearly far enough!"
It really works, guys! One's ardent support of Obamacare, and extension thereof lasts for the 12 second or so it takes to deliver this fervent and heartfelt message of insurance of everything forever for free. Works like a charm!
When they figure out what you really said and the rebuttals come, remember the following points and press on:
You will always win the argument, by supporting Obamacare in this way!
Believe me, it's a lot of FUN!
Tried that with a guy on facebook, just confirm the facts about O's history. He got so frustrated he cut me off. Never was I mean, nasty or rude. He imploded.
I like that approach, and I'm jealous that I didn't think of it first! :-)
To sharpen the point on insurance:
Health insurance companies bet that you will stay healthy, you bet that you will get sick. For life insurance you bet that you will die they bet that you will live.
Exactly so, Roc. Same with all insurance: they bet for you, you are the pessimistic one! But for the sake of catastrophic events, perhaps it's worth buying. I want it all for free now! Don't ya just luv Obama? He gives us so much stuff!
Why stop with insurance? Everything should be free. Dare anyone to single out which occupation is more deserving to make a profit than another, and why, and then ask them why they are "against" all other people having equal rights.
Love it, Vern...think I'll give it a try!
Some Liberals I know wouldn't even argue with you.
They would just say, "Yeah, you are right. That stuff should all be free for those who don't make enough money. It's only fair!"
Scary, isn't it? Never had that retort....
Perhaps ask what they do? Tell them that you happen to need that, but you are a bit short of cash at the moment and need some help....
I have doubts about the usefulness of this particular line of argument.
A competent defender of Obamacare would simply respond that we cannot have people buying fire insurance the day after the fire, which is why we cannot have people buying health insurance the day after their dire diagnosis -- thus the "necessity" of the individual mandate, so that we don't break the companies. (Please don't preach to the choir and reply with why this argument is wrong. My point is not that it is right, simply that it allows a good comeback.)
I'm glad that the argument worked for you -- and, after all, a lot of defenders of Obamacare are too ignorant to defend their position. But of all the strategies for arguing our case, I think that this one allows the Obamanuts the best retort.
Since this issue is now destined to be decided politically rather than judicially, I believe that everything we say should center around one word. To rework the words of a famous American idiot, "It's the tax, stupid."
Guess I'm obtuse, Finnegan. Please help me to understand.
Hospitals are required to "fix" you, with admittance often through the emergency room. My wrecked car needs fixed, also an emergency!
"...so that we don't break the companies."? As stated above, "Cost is not my problem!"
"Please don't preach to the choir and reply with why this argument is wrong."? I am answering exactly as I answer to liberals! There is no logical comeback.
Your side wins in this, if you remain adamantly entirely logical. Meet them head on, point by point!
Vern, it was hardly fair for you to ambush hapless liberals when you came to the party armed with an actual understanding of how markets work! Those poor lambs never stood a chance! Bwa-ha-ha-ha....!