Imagine you live in a Red State. Tennessee is a good example. We can call Tennessee a “dead red cat state.” The voters of Tennessee would vote for a dead red cat before they would vote for Obama. Yet, all of Tennessee’s votes could go to Barack Obama.
Voter fraud? No something much worse.
The worse is a proposal gathering steam, sponsored by some Republicans called the National Popular Vote. The National Popular Vote is a stealth way to repeal the Electoral College that our founding fathers gave us.
As most people probably know, every four years in November, we go to the polls but we do not vote for President. Instead we vote for the electors that go to the meeting of the Electoral College and that is the official vote for President. Since the electors are committed to a particular candidate, the end result is never a surprise.
Under the NPV, the states sign an agreement that says whichever candidate gets the most votes nationally, gets the electoral votes from that state. For example, you could live in Tennessee, where 60% of the population is going to vote for a Republican. Even Mitt Romney could carry 60% in Tennessee. Yet if Barack Obama has more votes nationally, all of Tennessee’s 11 electoral votes would go to Barack Obama.
Under the NPV a candidate does not even have to take a majority of the popular vote, only be the largest vote getter.
When the founding fathers established the Electoral College, they set up a brilliant system. The Electoral College requires that candidates have a broad appeal. Candidates cannot simply restrict their campaign to a few densely populated areas and ignore the rest of the country. Even small states play a crucial role in the elections when we have the Electoral College. Many of those who push the NPV point to the 2000 election, which is one of three times in our country’s history where a candidate won more popular votes but lost the Electoral College. Had Al Gore paid attention to his alleged home state of Tennessee, he would have become the 43rd President. Had he won Tennessee, Florida’s votes would not have mattered.
When you eliminate the Electoral College you basically wipe out the state lines. This is nothing less than an assault on federalism. Eliminating the Electoral College changes the American states from state to more like administrative departments of the national government.
Technically, this is not abolishing the Electoral College. It is simply gaming the results.
Currently, the NPV has passed in eight states.
When you are undecided about an idea, you can often gauge its merit by looking who supports it. The National Popular Vote is endorsed by a multitude of liberal newspapers. If liberals think something is a good idea, it probably is not. The Advisory Board consists of liberal Democrats and moderate Republicans. There is not a single conservative on that list.
The National Popular vote is tailor made for a billionaire to run a campaign in a few large metropolitan areas, collecting a plurality of the vote and is suddenly President. This is not a popular vote as it could allow a candidate with support in only two or three small but densely populated areas to run and win. They can pander to New York corridor, Los Angeles/San Francisco area and Chicago, pretty much ignore rest of the country. The left likes to call the heartland of America, “fly over country.” If the National Popular Vote becomes law, fly over country will not just be that. It will be irrelevant to the politics of choosing an American President. Most of the Red States of America will not be part of a Republic. We will simply be ruled.
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Reference to Electorial process and Mobcracy.
Gene I really think that many have not put their minds to understanding the electoral process. Judson laid it out at the opening of this forum. But there are people who would rather have Hertz do the driving, it's the easier course to Socialism by the Left.
Diogenes (the Cynic if I remember correctly)
I do understand why the Electoral College was established. It was created with a dual purpose. First was to give extra power to smaller states and secondly to create a buffer between the population and the election of a President. My problem with it (always has been) is the all or nothing factor.
This is what I am talking about. NY had 31 electoral votes in the 2008 election, 1 electoral vote for each of the 29 Congressional Districts and 1 electoral vote for each senate seat. In 21 of the Congressional Districts the majority of people voted for Obama but in 8 of the Districts the majority of the people voted for McCain but Obama got all 31 electoral votes. To me it should have been a 23 to 8 split. Obama carried the 2 Senate seat electoral votes because he got the majority of the popular vote. If I’m not mistaken both Maine and Nebraska do their electoral votes by District but don’t quote me on that.
I understand why the Founding Fathers created this system. Without this, at their time, all a person wanting to be President would have to do is carry the cities of Boston, New York and Philadelphia and not worry about the rest of the nation.
Michael that site I just referred to.
Don't get me wrong, I DO NOT want to eliminate the Electoral College.
We need to keep it to insure that all the smaller states (most of them Red states) have a fair representation in presidental elections through their electors just as the Founding Fathers designed it. I'm just asking if two states already have their electors cast their votes according to "the will of the people" from each of their respective districts, why can't all the states do the same.
If I'm not mistaken they tried to eliminate it during the Nixon administration but I will have to research and verify that, to long ago to remember clearly.
I probably got off track with this whole Electoral College thing and need to get back to the issue of educating people and stopping NPV.
Thank you for your time and thoughful and intelligent input.
Judson, besides Tennesssee what are the other NPV states. Can a state that signed on to MPV reverse that course? Presumably Tennessee signed on to MPV without schooling the populace since in my estimation it steals their Constitutional rights? Thanks
NPV process circumvents the Constitution. Read the following. Those of you of NYS, contact your elect and say no.
You who want to learn more of NPV read and alert your Tea Parrty. NPV dumbs down America.
It appears that most of us do not understand understand much about the electoral college. The effort to make the change seems to be coming from the DEMOCRATS or the RINO's of the Republican party. Because of this, we better beware of making any changes to the Constitution at this point. From the information that has been provided, the electoral college will not go away, but because of the way the changes are being presented, many people will end up voting for someone other than they intended as it will be much easier to defraud the public. And evidently the small states votes could possibly be eaten up by larger states.
If we are to stand for the Constitution, then we need to do that first, really educate ourselves on this matter, and then do it as a Constitutional Amendment rather than participate in the process which is currently being followed which is to destroy the Constitution.
For help in better understanding of the Electoral College and why it's a good thing, go to http://www.eagleforum.org/psr/2009/may09/psrmay09.html#ec1